Subject: Common wrong ideas about zero point energy and gravity

Date: September 8, 2004 9:05:16 AM PDT

To: SarfattiScienceSeminars@yahoogroups.com

Cc: ItalianPhysicsCenter@YahooGroups.com, Sarfatti_Physics_Seminars@yahoogroups.com

On Sep 8, 2004, at 7:06 AM, Burinskii Alexander wrote:

Dear Jack,

Here are some extra sentences on my understanding of this problem.

What is our usual flat vacuum. It contains zpf

which is diverges or has an infinite energy.

E= infinite sum of electromagnetic modes (from zero to infinite

frequencies).

Yes, this is the conventional idea for virtual photons only. It is no good. It is incomplete. It leads to the cosmological constant problem that I think only I have the essentially correct idea on.

The infinite frequency only comes if a real mathematical continuum. That is clearly a false idea. But even with a 4D world lattice you are not better off because micro-quantum virtual photons without MACRO-QUANTUM vacuum coherence give

/\zpf ~ Lp^-2 ~ 10^66 cm^-2

Even if you take Hal Puthoff's value

/\zpg ~ (mc/h)^2 ~ 10^22 cm^-2

It's no damn good. Our universe cannot exist with such a large /\zpf.

The observed large-scale /\zpf(Dark Energy) is ~ 10^-56 cm^-2.

That is the cosmological constant problem that I solve with the idea of vacuum coherence, most of which comes from the MACRO-QUANTUM virtual electron-positron BEC whose robust phase coherence gives Einstein's c-number local field equations!

It is clear that it is a defect of our modern knowledge

and this sum has to be truncated on some high frequency.

This picture is not complete and we have to assume

that there is a Dirac sea of the negative energy particles which compensate

this divergence.

That idea simply does not work.

For one thing, there is an energy gap 2mc^2 in that picture. There are NO negative energy virtual electrons from -mc^2 to zero energy! This actually gives Hal Puthoff's /\zpf ~ (mc/h)^2 quite simply and obviously and I am surprised he never mentions it explicitly. But even so the idea is no good! The universe still cannot exist with these naive ideas!

To get our flat space we have to assume that each

modeof (bosonic) ZPF has a negative counterpart from the (fermionic) Dirac

sea.

Again this idea is no good at all not only because of rest mass gaps in the RANDOM micro-quantum Dirac negative energy sea, but also because the polarization modes DO NOT MATCH.

You have 3 independent SPIN 1 virtual photon modes and only 2 independent SPIN 2 virtual electron modes.

Furthermore, SUPERSYMMETRY is failed idea. No evidence for it whatsoever. Even with it, the high rest mass of the supersymmetry partners would not solve the cosmological constant problem.

It is main idea of supersymmetry !, And it does work!

I don't see how? How does it work? You should discuss this with Carlos Castro. Even Ed Witten says it does not work. His M theory assumes supersymmetry and one can make an argument that /\ = 0 - except I do not see how that works when supersymmetry is so badly broken? But then Witten says the observed dark energy destroys his /\ = 0 argument and that this is the "greatest crisis of my career."

If ZPF is separated from the negative energy superpartners, consistency of

vacuum is broken. We do not feel the zpf and have /\ ~0 in flat space only due to

supersymmetry. We cannot even speak on the value of /\ without thinking on

the energy of fermionic partners.

Again, I do not think this argument works. Do you have a detailed mathematical argument for it? If so, I would like to see it. I am sure at least one of the assumptions are factually incorrect. I know such a belief is a common myth among the string theorists, but I suspect it rests on very shaky ground. :-)

In QED these fermions are MASSIVE vacuum electrons of the Dirac sea,

but in the other models of the superconducting coherent states they can be

some other fermions which I called ``partons".

Again if your partons have finite rest mass m you will still get uncompensated

/\zpf ~ (mc/h)^2

as well as the problem of not having a balance of spin modes of positive and negative ZPF energy densities.

The zpf photons in the Casimir I effect are the plane e.m. waves which are

on shell

No, this is a completely false self-contradiction! I think Puthoff uses it also and maybe others like Milonni. This is a completely unacceptable error of conception.

It is a contradiction to say that ZPF virtual photons are ON MASS SHELL with f = ck. Any model that makes that assumption is obviously wrong in conflict with for example Feynman's classic papers on quantum electrodynamics reproduced in the Dover volume edited by Schwinger.

By DEFINITION a ZPF virtual photon is OFF-MASS-SHELL - not a pole of the interacting photon propagator in the complex energy plane using globally flat space-time with COMPLETE ABSENCE OF GRAVITY!

and, after averaging on angular directions, yield the stress

tensor T~diag(1,1/3,1/3,1/3) which has w = 1/3 and Trace=0,

which can give only ZERO contribution to scalar curvature.

Again this is a false argument proceeding from an inconsistent premise. If you read Mike Turner's article in April 2003 Physics Today and any modern review of precision cosmology you will see that

w = +1/3 only works for real on mass shell photons in macro-quantum coherent states that is classical far field radiation in only 2 transverse polarized modes such as the CMB of WMAP at ~ 2.7 deg K.

Also in your last message you wrote w = -1/3. The sign of w is very important physically. Hal does use w = + 1/3. But all of these arguments are simply wrong and unacceptable.

You cannot get virtual ZPF photons to give w = +1/3 or w = -1/3. Virtual ZPF photons have w = -1 EXACTLY. The proof from general relativity is on p. 26 of John Peacock's "Cosmological Physics".

BTW Virtual ZPF electron-positron pairs also have w = -1. The only difference is that virtual photons have positive ZPF energy density from boson commutation rules and virtual electron-positron pairs have negative ZPF energy density from fermion anti-commutation rules.

I checked it looking the very good old review by B. De Witt Phys Rep. 19(1975) 295.

I do not believe De Witt ever wrote that ZPF virtual photons have w = + 1/3. If he did, he also is wrong. Also these ideas were not well understood back in 1975.

In my opinion, only a sum of zpf and massive vacuum fermions can result to w = -1

and give a nonzero /\ related to zpf.

This is false. See reference to Peacock above. I assume you meant to write:

In my opinion, only a sum of zpf virtual photons and massive vacuum fermions can result to w = -1

and give a nonzero /\ related to zpf.

w = -1 holds for EACH VIRTUAL SPECIES separately following from general principles of Einstein's GR and micro-quantum theory. Again Peacock explains this, so does Mike Turner in April 2003 Physics Today.

When we speak on Casimir II. we assume that a part

of zpf is pulled out from the ball. There appears an

energy cavity, and T-inside get a negative contribution T(inside) ~ - c

diag(1,1/3,1/3,1/3).

No this is wrong. Also it is not what Puthoff even claims. I understand him to claim

Total virtual photon ZPF pressure = 0 inside the EVO shell and Total virtual photon ZPF pressure outside the EVO shell is positive = (+1/3)(Virtual Photon ZPF Energy Density) ~ (+1/3)hc/(h/mc)^4.

Puthoff completely ignores virtual electron-positron pairs and he also completely ignores Einstein's general relativity, i.e.

Guv + /\zpfguv = 0

Therefore, Puthoff's Type II Casimir force model of Ken Shoulders observed EVOs is completely unacceptable.

In my work 1989 I argued that some cloud

of massive matter by a transfer to superdense state

get a negative contribution to the mass due Casimir II

and may transit to a pseudovacuum state if their

constituents will be packed closely up to Compton distances between them.

Maybe so. I don't know, but I do not see how that has any relevance to the EVO problem? :-)

On Sep 7, 2004, at 2:34 PM, Jack Sarfatti wrote:

What is the Nature of The Beast that this way comes? Remember The Sufi Elephant Story. The Hunt for Zero Point is like Moby Dick, The Great Leviathan that lies beneath. There is Cold Fire in IT's FROM BIT's Belly.

On the meaning of "w" AKA "dubya" (Mike Turner in April 2003 Physics Today).

Note that Alex's value w = -1/3 he gives below is exactly what we do not want! That throws the EVO baby out with the bathwater.

I shall now pontificate on the true nature of the Exotic Stuff that dominates The World and paves the way to the Conquest of Space-Time in which We, Men Like Gods, weave The Fabric of Space-Time into Warp, Wormhole, and Weapon (if need be). The Handwriting is On The Great Wall.

w = -1/3 is the EXACT BOUNDARY VALUE at The Edge of Eschaton's Apocalypse Now for which the "exotic stuff" of The World DOES NOT GRAVITATE OR ANTI-GRAVITE!

Nothing Hal Puthoff & Co have written about this problem is even in the right ball park because you never see the key equation

Guv + /\zpfguv = 0

in anything "they" write on this problem.

If you want to use Einstein's

Guv = (String Tension)^-1Tuv

Note that

Guv a curvature has dimensions of Area^-1.

Tuv has dimensions Energy/Volume

String Tension = c^4/8piG has dimensions Energy/Length

Then

Tuv(Exotic Stuff) must be, because of EEP, GCT and Heisenberg's micro-quantum principle, of the RESTRICTED form

(Energy Density)(1 + 3w)guv

Obviously w = -1/3 means Tuv(Exotic Stuff) = 0, i.e. COMPLETELY USELESS for metric engineering WARP, WORMHOLE and WEAPON! Capische? ;-)

Besides, Hal uses w = +1/3 in his Type II Casimir Model, which, if I understood his cryptic remarks, means TOTAL virtual photon pressure inside the EVO shell is zero, whilst it is positive outside the shell of magnitude

~ (1/3)(String Tension)(mc/h)^2 ~ 10^83 ev/cc MUCH TOO BIG!

Alex, what you wrote about the long wave cutoff inside the shell below is not what Hal means at all. That obvious Casimir force effect ~ hc/a^4 (for an EVO of size "a") is much too small as I showed and as Hal even agreed. That is the Type I model not the Type II model. In any case neither is even close to being correct. They both miss the mark!

Corrected 2nd Draft for the record

On Sep 7, 2004, at 11:17 AM, Jack Sarfatti wrote:

PS A major issue with regard to Ken Shoulders EVO laboratory observations is the huge unbalanced negative electric charge Ne on the EVO shell, that I say is a "bottle" or "cage" for the completely virtual "dark energy" ZPF positive energy density "core" /\zpf > 0 inside the EVO "cosmic eggshell". Also where did the positive charges go? Using only supersymmetry/parton/conventional QED Casimir force ideas et-al leads to very doubtful large values of N ~ 10^12 to 10^16 for the observed EVOs, that are also, it appears, the sources of "Cold Fusion" when the EVO eggshells break. Humpty Dumpty fell off the wall. :-) With the STRONG direct ZPF warping of space-time from

Guv + /\zpfguv = 0

independent of the QED Casimir forces, that remain only as relatively small corrections, N is much smaller because of the large local short-range space warp as explained by Kip Thorne in "Black Holes and Time Warps" (Fig on ~ p. 30).

That is

N(h/mc)^2 ~ (Space Warp Factor)(Observed Size of EVO)^2

(Space Warp Factor) << 1 for POSITIVE SPACE CURVATURE

i.e. essence of the EVO is a MESOSCOPIC GR EFFECT of RESIDUAL ZERO POINT ENERGY DENSITY.

The EVO is a ZPF driven dark energy mesoscopic Wheeler "Geon".

The single electron can be modeled in a similar way with Kerr-Newman type metrics as you have been doing.

Remember effective potential per unit electron mass of the dark energy interior is

V(dark energy core of EVO) = c^2/\zpfr^2 > 0 a 3D Harmonic Oscillator Potential with NEGATIVE PRESSURE making an attractive force to balance against the Coulomb repulsive self-force per unit electron mass ~ (Ne)^2/mr^2.

That's basically the simple EVO story - elementary physics!

On Sep 7, 2004, at 8:35 AM, Jack Sarfatti wrote:

On Sep 7, 2004, at 3:31 AM, Burinskii Alexander wrote:

Dear Jack,

I will try to answer here some of your questions as I understand the problem

now.

JS.

Let's make sure you mean the same model as Hal. Hal models each

electron as a tiny sphere of radius ~ h/mc ~ 10^-11 cm. Using flat

Euclidean space geometry, Hal then imagines N of these electrons

closely packed to form a larger EVO sphere ~ N(h/mc)^2 in area. Again

using flat space Euclidean geometry.

AB.

1. I considered Casimir II effect in 1989 without application to a charged

body, but with an intention

to apply it in future to the stress of the charged electron shell. I

understood later (in 2000-2002) that

it has an almost equivalent description in terms of supersymmetry.

All the VOLUME of sphere (not a thin area) was closely packed by some

partons. (This is the VOLUME Casimir effect II).

These partons in a cosmic case could be the neutron

constituents of a superdense star, or other superdense matter in a cluster.

I do not know what you mean here by "partons"? Are they "particles" "on-mass-shell" or "off-mass-shell"? If the former, then it is not a vacuum inside the EVO shell. Also, I think I can explain the whole thing without these additional assumptions of "partons" and "supersymmetry". Remember these EVOs are rather large typically 10^-5 cm to 10^-5 meters. We should not need to use high-energy physics ideas to explain them. My model is much simpler and we want to do more with less. :-)

JS.

Apparently the Casimir Type II Ansatz is that the zero point energy

density ~ /\zpf INSIDE the EVO sphere is ZERO.

The zero point energy density OUTSIDE the EVO sphere is positive of

order /\zpf ~ (mc/h)^2. You need to multiply /\zpf by (c^4/8piG) to get

dimensions of energy density. Hal then assume a POSITIVE ZPF pressure

that is (1/3) the positive ZPF energy density. He then balances the

Coulomb repulsion force ~ (Ne)^2/r^2 against this lop-sided EXTERNAL

positive ZPF pressure.

Now is the above your picture below?

AB

In the effect II the low frequency PART of ZPF

INSIDE the EVO sphere is ZERO and pressure has the factor - 1/3.

I have THREE objections.

1. I believe Hal has said that the total ZPF pressure from virtual photons inside the EVO shell is zero, not only the low frequency part as it would be in the Casimir Type 1 model. Also one cannot assume f = ck for virtual photons. This detail is ignored by almost all papers on the Casimir effect. It is a serious error.

2. w = -1 for ALL virtual quanta, whether photons, electron-positron pairs, partons et-al. This requirement is from General Relativity explained by John Peacock on p. 26 "Cosmological Physics" and completely absent in Milonni's book "The Quantum Vacuum" with no mention of "dubya" w as explained in Mike Turner's April 2003 Physics Today article. The only issue is what is the sign of their ZPF energy density and that depends on the spin-statistics connection and possibly the non-Abelian nature of the field theory.

3. Hal claims in his Type II that w = +1/3 not w = -1/3.

Therefore, I do not see that your model is the same as Hal Puthoff's Model II at all. :-)

However (!), /\zpf INSIDE the EVO sphere is composed from ZPF + superdense

matter + gravity, and total /\=/\tot has to satisfy the relation w = -1

which follows from supersymmetry for the flat, de Sitter and anti-de Sitter

states. It was also shown

for a charged gravitating ball without supersymmetry in some of my papers in

2002.

Again, I say these EVOs are large. You can almost see them with the unaided eye. My explanation is much simpler and does not require these additional ideas from really short-scale physics in globally flat space-time.

Similar, the EXTERNAL ZPF electromagnetic pressure is combined with other

zero point fields

( fermionic and other ???, structure of vacuum is not clear now) leading to

the observable /\tot ~ 0.

No this simple argument from supersymmetry is well known to fail because supersymmetry is badly broken and in fact there is no evidence for it at all as Carlos Castro has pointed out. I do not need supersymmetry at all. It is replaced by "vacuum coherence" in my theory, which is extremely simple and parsimonious only needing Einstein's ideas, Heisenberg's and well known broken symmetry "ODLRO" ideas of Lars Onsager, Oliver Penrose and P.W. Anderson used extensively in soft condensed matter physics in the emergence of complex forms of organization from less organized sub-strata.

Therefore, the results of Casimir II effect coincide

with your results:

``...of the Ken Shoulders EVO has /\zpf ~ 0 OUTSIDE the EVO shell. This is

a vacuum coherence effect that simply solves the

cosmological constant mystery.....INSIDE the EVO shell with w = -1

NEGATIVE PRESSURE.''

The balance of the pressure and energy + energy of gravity for charged EVOs

is a very thin thing which I tried to discuss in hep-th/0008129,

hep-th/0205127 (there is a simple graphical analysis for the Kerr

background in gr-qc/010985, showing that w= -1 for interior.)

A few words on the origin of the Compton cutoff for

the low frequency ZPF in Casimir II. As I know it is not a Casimir

suggestion, but it follows from the properties of the conducting matter. It

is not shielding of waves, but rather is similar to the Meisner effect. The

conducting lattice is not penetrable for the modes of e.m. fields if the

length of wave is bigger then the cell of the lattice, but is penetrable

for the high frequency modes having the small length of waves. This effect

may be described by the Higgs or Landau-Ginzburg model of superconductivity

showing that the FALSE vacuum which is INSIDE the EVO may be considered as

superconducting one.

This is exactly yours ``...vacuum coherence as

the origin of both the inflation field and the Higgs field... ''

OK I would need to see the math here, but I doubt one needs partons and supersymmetry.

So, in my opinion, Puthoff and Piestrup have apparently a good insight on

the important role of the Casimir II effect, but do some mistakes in his

application. It seems to me that their mistakes are going from the

misunderstanding that the Casimir effect II it is the VOLUME effect, not

the ``...Casimir Shell Model II...'' .

I don't think so. In my model the Casimir force is there but it is very small. The essence of the effect is the strong DIRECT WARPING of space-time demanded by general relativity in the equation

Guv + /\zpfguv = 0

That's almost the whole simple story. It is a qualitative error to try to explain EVOs as essentially a Casimir effect using orthodox QED in globally flat space-time.

Sorry that was not able to answer all the your questions,

Yours sincerely,

Alexander

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Subject: Re: How big is the unbalanced EVO electric charge anyway?

Hi Alex

Let's make sure you mean the same model as Hal. Hal models each

electron as a tiny sphere of radius ~ h/mc ~ 10^-11 cm. Using flat

Euclidean space geometry, Hal then imagines N of these electrons

closely packed to form a larger EVO sphere ~ N(h/mc)^2 in area. Again

using flat space Euclidean geometry.

Apparently the Casimir Type II Ansatz is that the zero point energy

density ~ /\zpf INSIDE the EVO sphere is ZERO.

The zero point energy density OUTSIDE the EVO sphere is positive of

order /\zpf ~ (mc/h)^2. You need to multiply /\zpf by (c^4/8piG) to get

dimensions of energy density. Hal then assume a POSITIVE ZPF pressure

that is (1/3) the positive ZPF energy density. He then balances the

Coulomb repulsion force ~ (Ne)^2/r^2 against this lop-sided EXTERNAL

positive ZPF pressure.

Now is the above your picture below?

My objections to Hal's model are:

1. Hal assumes w = pressure/(energy density) = + 1/3 which is false for

all ZPF virtual quanta of any spin. w = +1/3 only works for on mass

shell REAL photons forming the radiation far field with only transverse

polarizations for zero rest mass photons.

2. General relativity and Heisenberg quantum uncertainty demand w = -1

for all such virtual ZPF quanta

Reference: p. 26 of John Peacock's "Cosmological Physics".

3. ZPF energy density and pressure DO (ANTI) GRAVITATE depending on the

sign of the ZPF energy density. This is required by Einstein's theory.

You cannot simply hand wave ZPF energy density away as Hal essentially

does. Therefore Hal's assumption that the external ZPF energy density

is

~ 10^19Gev 10^33 cm^-1 10^22 cm^-2 ~ 10^28x10^33x10^22 ~ 10^83 ev/cc

is obviously wrong. The universe could not exist in such a state! This

is essentially the cosmological constant paradox, which no human

physicist alive today, from this time (excluding time travelers from

the future in their Unconventional Flying Objects) properly understands

except for me! I must be candid here.

What is lacking here is the proper understanding of vacuum coherence as

the origin of both the inflation field and the Higgs field for the

coherent origin of the rest mass inertia of the lepto-quarks directly

opposed to the random ZPF acceleration friction model of Haisch and

Puthoff.

4. My model of the Ken Shoulders EVO has /\zpf ~ 0 OUTSIDE the EVO

shell. This is a vacuum coherence effect that simply solves the

cosmological constant mystery. With /\zpf roughly (mc/h)^2 (factor of

alpha fine structure constant ignored for now) INSIDE the EVO shell

with w = -1 NEGATIVE PRESSURE. That is the interior of the EVO N

electron shell is DARK ENERGY! The N-electron shell is a DARK ENERGY

BOTTLE.

The Dark Energy potential per unit electron mass is a POSITIVE 3D

Harmonic Oscillator potential

c^2/\zpfr^2

Therefore, its force gradient -2c^2/\zpfr is attractive and it balances

the repulsive Coulomb self-force per unit electon mass +(Ne)^2/mr^2 -

very simple, neat and pretty. Any bright high school serious physics

student can follow this argument.

5. Finally, there is the issue of the unacceptibly large unbalanced

negative electric charge on the EVO and where did the compensating

positive charge disappear to in the violent creation of the EVO?

The EVO is a mesoscopic geon in Wheeler's sense.

The surface area of the EVO = (Space Warp Factor)(radial size of EVO)^2

In flat space geometry

(Space Warp Factor) = 4pi

However, we need in the EVO

(Space Warp Factor) << 1

Therefore

N(h/mc)^2 ~ (Space Warp Factor)a^2

where a is directly observed to be ~ 10^-5 cm to 10^-5 meters in Ken

Shoulders lab measurements.

This means that N can be a lot smaller than the FLAT SPACE estimates of

N ~ 10^12 to 10^16 unbalanced electron charges.

Recall that 10^18 electron charges (1/10 Coulomb) would make a flat

space EVO of radius ~ 10^9 10^-11 cm ~ 10^-4 meters.

Two unbalanced 1 Coulomb like charges separated by 1 meter repel with a

force ~ 10^10 Newtons ~ 1 MILLION TONS!

i.e. the MKS reciprocal permitivity of vacuum is ~ 10^10 - another

reason why Hal's PV model is no good for practical metric engineering

or tailoring of the fabric of 4D spacetime into weightless warp drives,

wide wormhole star gate time travel passage ways, and the weird "vacuum

bubble" WMD of Andrei Sakharov described by Martin Rees in "Our Final

Hour."

Therefore, for the (1/10) Coulomb EVO the self-ripping destructive

force is

~ 10^-2 10^8(Million Tons) ~ ONE TRILLION TONS!

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