On Nov 27, 2007, at 4:50 AM, Paul J. Werbos, Dr. wrote:

Hi, Jack!

I feel a bit torn in multiple directions here.

There are other ways to talk about what you refer to as a "destiny matrix" which might create more

of a "eureka" feeling among many -- but if the consciousness part is not linked to in a correct way, it could

end up causing more confusion than light.

In the end, for example, I do not believe that consciousness as such requires quantum phenomena.

www.werbos.com/credo.htm.

I have said that also as does David Deutsch. I CONJECTURE "signal nonlocality" is necessary but perhaps not sufficient for the emergence of our actual inner consciousness qualia that define who we are as minds. I base this on Bohm's ontolology ("The Undivided Universe") with a sharp separation of Wheeler's IT matter as "hidden variable" from Wheeler's BIT as Bohm's pilot wave or super quantum potential for classical matter fields etc. As shown in "Undivided Universe" signal locality is the approximation of Wheeler's

IT FROM BIT

without any "direct reaction"

BIT FROM IT

i.e. MIND as pilot wave moves MATTER but not vice versa.

It is the "holo" movement of MATTER back on MIND that is the Engine of Qualia.

IT FROM BIT

with any "direct reaction"

BIT FROM IT

form a self-organizing creative strange loop that via retro-causal signal nonlocality literally appear out of nothing as "free invention of the human imagination" - Radin-Bierman presponse - considered a "time travel paradox" by some, but not by me.

The quantum phenomena exist, and play a secondary role in allowing LEVELS of consciousness

beyond what we see around us every day in the mundane world, but their role should not be overstated.

Sure.

Bernard Shaw's long play Back to Methusaleh shows a lot of insight into what is really going on.

Best of luck,

Paul

On Nov 26, 2007, at 9:58 PM, Jack Sarfatti wrote:

Micro-quantum theory is density matrix theory in the absence of "More is different" (PW Anderson) emergent ground state Off-Diagonal-Long-Range-Order (ODLRO) of the density matrix. ODLRO corresponds to large eigenvalues in the lower order "reduced density matrices" that correspond to nonlocal multiple point (3D + 1) correlation functions and to Green's function propagators when boundary conditions are imposed. The large eigenvalues are "condensates" - only bosons can occupy the same single-particle state. Anyons in 2D do something else. How to connect anyons on 2D surrounding surfaces of the interior 3D bulk containing topological defects is the holography problem. Topological defects correspond to zero eigenvalues of the hierarchy of reduced density matrices - in our case of the virtual quanta of all matter fields in the actual physical vacuum. A density matrix without ODLRO has signal locality and obeys the no-cloning theorem. A density matrix with ODLRO can be a retro-causal DESTINY MATRIX with signal nonlocality evading the no-cloning theorem. This also describes systems with self-consciousness - us!

Example, first-order reduced density matrix of a 3D +1 boson field for its vacuum |0>

<0|A(x)A(x')|0> = <0|A(x)|0><0|A(x')|0> + {<0|A(x)A(x')|0>}

the 2nd term on the RHS is the zero point fluctuation in the vacuum at zero temperature. At finite positive temperature it includes "normal liquid" on-shell elementary excitations (quasi-particles & collective modes).

How does this work for 2D + 1 anyons (topological quantum theory) that is the hologram with the above as its image?

Eq of motion of first reduced density matrix couples to second-reduced density matrix and so on.

On Nov 26, 2007, at 9:29 PM, Jack Sarfatti wrote:

"The future and the future alone is the home of explanation."

Henry Dwight Sedgwick (1908)

On Nov 26, 2007, at 3:15 PM, Jack Sarfatti wrote:

Note that I am also proposing a retro-causal universe

where the 2D future de Sitter causal horizon null surface is a hologram retro-causal source of advanced waves that move back in time to cosmic-trigger the moment of inflation out of which the curved tetrads and torsioned spin-connections emerge from the cohering of the pre-inflation random /\(False Vacuum) into the post-inflation vacuum condensate ODLRO Higgs-Goldstone fields with

/\(False Vacuum) ~ 1/Lp^2

/\(Dark Energy) = /\(False Vacuum)/N ~ 1/(Area of Future Horizon) ~ 10^-29 grams/cc

N ~ 10^122 Bekenstein BITS

&Lp* ~ N^1/6Lp

Note that Dark Matter (DM) is ~ AdS on a smaller scale with /\(DM) < 0, hence no on-shell particles will explain Omega(DM) ~ 0.23.

This retro-causal process Omega to Alpha (Teilhard de Chardin) is a globally self-consistent Novikov loop in time.

Mickey Mouse "Maldacena" Conjecture

First note that the symmetry group of AdS is the Poincare group when negative /\ -> 0. Dark matter is like a attractive negative /\ but on short scale. Additional torsion field beyond 1916 GR allows a wavelet spectral resolution of /\(x,L) located at x at scale L (like a Wigner phase space density). At shorter scales /\ goes from positive to negative making galactic halos, Pioneer anomalies (centered on Suns). Einstein's positive cosmological constant is the IR limit of the spectrum of /\(x,L). The 2D null event horizon of a black hole is an anyonic surface with /\ < 0 inside the event horizon? On cosmic scale /\ > 0 and the future de Sitter (dS) Omega horizon is also anyonic emitting advanced waves back from the future to the Alpha moment of inflation.

On Nov 26, 2007, at 2:45 PM, Paul J. Werbos, Dr. wrote:

At 05:08 PM 11/26/2007, Jack Sarfatti wrote:

What do you mean by "second generation"? Still "signal locality?

I am thinking more of operational backwards time kinds of effects.

OK that then is "signal nonlocality" in Valentini's sense - practical retro-causality is one example of signal nonlocality where

quant-ph/0203049 (March 2002)

Subquantum Information and Computation

Antony Valentini

Received. 11 March 2002 Last updated. 12 April 2002

Abstract. It is argued that immense physical resources - for nonlocal communication, espionage, and exponentially-fast computation - are hidden from us by quantum noise, and that this noise is not fundamental but merely a property of an equilibrium state in which the universe happens to be at the present time. It is suggested that 'non-quantum' or nonequilibrium matter might exist today in the form of relic particles from the early universe. We describe how such matter could be detected and put to practical use. Nonequilibrium matter could be used to send instantaneous signals, to violate the uncertainty principle, to distinguish non-orthogonal quantum states without disturbing them, to eavesdrop on quantum key distribution, and to outpace quantum computation (solving NP-complete problems in polynomial time).

Your "second generation" means same as my "post-quantum" AKA Valentini's "sub-quantal non-equilibrium" what at Tucson II (1996) I called "back-action" i.e. in Bohm's ontological interpretation the IT "particle" is not a test particle but directly acts back on the BIT pilot wave, e.g. I think p. 30 & Ch 14 of "The Undivided Universe" by Bohm & Hiley (1993?).

On Nov 26, 2007, at 2:08 PM, Jack Sarfatti wrote:

On Nov 26, 2007, at 1:59 PM, Paul J. Werbos, Dr. wrote:

Like string theory, quantum computers do not yet exist of course - except possibly our minds, which must be post-quantum computers with signal nonlocality as described here

I do have to take exception to this one. The ones built so far are not so big -- 5 to 10 qubits, last I heard -- but they do exist.

OK good. Did not know that. Thanks Paul. :-)

First generation, of course, in the vision of David Deutsch (slightly augmented to account for

density matrices rather than wave functions).

I have my own view of second generation possibilities, but we will see....

What do you mean by "second generation"? Still "signal locality"?

Best of luck to us all,

Paul

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