PS on stuff below, as I mentioned in previous messages, we also use the constraint
4pir*^2 = N(h/mc)^2
which fixes /\zpf at the equilibrium dV(r)/dr = 0 for r = r*
For N = 1 this is a spherical shell of total charge e of thickness e^2/mc^2 ~ 1 fermi with radius h/mc ~ 10^-11 cm as measured in low energy scattering. The interior of the shell of charge is glued together by /\zpf dark energy core vacuum spring potential V(Dark Energy)/c^2 = /\zpfr^2. The EVO radius is N^1/2(h/mc) in Newtonian-Galilean limit.
For high-energy scattering, we need to use full GR metric and the spinning shell of charge's image in the scattering data will shrink from a huge dark energy core space-warp down to the apparent size of 10^-16 cm for current data. Similar story for the quarks confined inside the hadrons.
The Bohm hidden variable theory must be used to understand all the data. The Bohr Copenhagen interpretation is thus falsified by the facts. The spatially-extended electron implies a new form of practical atomic energy as shown in the "Tight Atomic States" Bohmian theory of J.P. Vigier under test in Beograd by A. Dragic & M. Maric p. 349, Vol 126 "Fundamental Theories of Physics" Kluwer 2002.
Vigier believed this new form of ATOMIC ENERGY RELEASE (not NUCLEAR) will provide an alternative to Oil.
On Oct 25, 2005, at 3:05 PM, Jack Sarfatti wrote:
Actually thinking about it further, since the /\zpf is to first approximation really constant, the dark energy force should be in concordance with the Casimir QED force, the negative gradient of linear confinement potential in the effective 1D parallel plate symmetry problem (different from the EVO thin spherical shell of charge).
(String Tension)A/\zpf = (c^4/8piG*)A/\zpf
String Tension = Space-Time Stiffness
proportional to the area of the flat plates
i.e.
Casimir QED Force + Dark Energy Force = ahcA/L^4 + (Space-Time Stiffness)/\zpfA
Note that if we use Planck scale, then
Space-Time Stiffness = 10^19Gev per 10^-33 cm
If we use the Type 1A Supernova data
/\zpf ~ 10^-56 cm^-2
So that's
Dark Energy Force between the plates ~ 10^+52(Gev/cm)x10^-56(cm^-2) A(cm^2)
i.e. 10^-4A(cm^2)Gev/cm^3 ~ A10^-410^9Joules/cm = A(cm^2)10^5Joules/cm
which is way too big. This can mean that the ambient /\zpf on small lab scales is much smaller than the measured /\ on the enormous cosmological scale and or that the effective space-time stiffness is much smaller than the Planck estimate from extra space dimensions for example. That is the effective G* >> G on the scale where QED Casimir forces are measured. Or both, or the whole idea is wrong, which is also possible.
Note, that if the string tension was only 1Gev per fermi (hadronic string Regge trajectories)
That's
c^4/8piG* ~ 10^9evx10^13cm^-1 = 10^22 ev/cm
(c^4/8piG*)/\(Type 1a Supernovae) = 10^-5610^22 ev/cm^3 = 10^-34 ev/cm^3
which is way too small.
On the other hand, suppose we use ZPF induced Sakharov gravity idea
hc/L^2 = c^4/8piG*
Where L is the separation of the plates of area A
We then have an effective Dark Energy Density of
(hc/L^2)/\zpf
with a Dark Energy Gravity Force
(hc/L^2)/\zpfA
Compare that with the Casimir QED force
a(hc/L^4)A
The dimensionless ratio of the two forces is
(Dark Energy Force)/(Casimir Force) = (hc/L^2)/\zpfA//(hc/L^4)A = L^2/\zpf
Using the Type 1A supernovae number, this is a very small number << 1.
On the other hand with metric engineering Josephson wave interference phase modulation we can presumably greatly amplify /\zpf at small scales.
On Oct 25, 2005, at 1:43 PM, art wagner wrote:
(http://xxx.lanl.gov/PS_cache/astro-ph/pdf/0510/0510547.pdf)
From: Jack Sarfatti
To:
Subject: Who is Saibal Ray? & Lab Dark Energy Detector
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 12:53:29 -0700
Title:
CLASSICAL ELECTRON MODEL WITH NEGATIVE ENERGY DENSITY IN EINSTEIN– CARTAN THEORY OF GRAVITATION
DOI No:
doi:10.1142/S0218271804004712
Source:
International Journal of Modern Physics D [Gravitation; Astrophysics and Cosmology], Vol. 13, No. 3 (2004) 555-565
Copyright:
World Scientific Publishing Company
Author(s):
SAIBAL RAY
Corresponding address: Department of Physics, Barasat Government College, Barasat 700 124, North 24 Parganas, West Bengal, India
Inter-University Center for Astronomy and Astrophysics, Pune, India
SUMANA BHADRA
Balichak Girls' High School, Balichak 721 124, West Midnapur, West Bengal, India
History:
Received 21 June 2003
Abstract:
Experimental result regarding the maximum limit of the radius of the electron (~10-16 cm) and a few of the theoretical works suggest that there might be some negative energy density regions within the particle in the general theory of relativity. It is argued in the present investigation that such a negative energy density also can be obtained with a better physical interpretation in the framework of Einstein–Cartan theory.
Keywords:
Electron model; energy density; Einstein–Cartan theory
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Back to contents of Vol. 13, No. 3
Corrected 2nd Draft
On Oct 25, 2005, at 12:32 PM, Jack Sarfatti wrote:
PRESS RELEASE
Below I give a SIMPLE Bohr-Einstein GEDANKENEXPERIMENT to LOCALLY MEASURE DARK ZERO POINT ENERGY IN THE LABORATORY!
On Oct 24, 2005, at 8:39 PM, saibal@iucaa.ernet.in wrote:
"excellent! i also believe that's true!"
saibal ray
I first published this in my two books at end of 2002 on http:// amazon.com
Destiny Matrix
Space-Time and Beyond II
Kaku is being sloppy again this use of "negative Casimir energy" is
pure nonsense.
What needs to be negative is not "Energy" but
Energy Density + 3Pressure
When that is negative you get universal repulsive gravity in the
Newtonian-Galilean limit of GR.
All zero point energy obeys the rule
Energy Density + Pressure = 0
This is required by
Lorentz invariance + Equivalence Principle.
On Oct 24, 2005, at 7:22 PM, yuzhou@pacbell.net wrote:
To: Jack Sarfatti
From: Richard D.K. Johnson
aka Dick Johnson
aka Richard Baird (pen name)
President, San Francisco Science Fiction Society
Date: Mon. 24 October 2005
United Nations Day
"In Michio Kaku's January 2005 book Parallel Worlds
he talks about building a warp drive (pages 334-336):
He says:
'One possible way to [travel across interstellar distances]
is to use the Alcubierre warp drive machine...you would have
to employ large quantities of both negative and positive energy'
to power your starship. (Positive energy could be used to
compress the space in front of you and negative energy to
lengthen the distance behind you.) To use the Casimir
effect to create this negative energy, the plate would have to
be separated by the Planck distance, 10^-33 centimeters....To
build such a starship, you would have to build a sphere
[or a saucer?!] and place the passengers inside...Russian
physicist Sergei Krasnikov showed...the inside of the
starship is disconnected from the space outside the ship---that
is, once inside the ship, you cannot change the path of
the starship. The path has to be laid out before the
trip is made. One could...[lay out an interstellar]
railway by fist using conventional rockets that travel at
sublight speed to build rail stations at regular intervals
between stars. Then the starship would travel between
these stations at super light speed according to a timetable..'
Do you agree with the above analysis?"
NO!
Yours, Richard
On Oct 25, 2005, at 10:21 AM, Dr. Eric Davis wrote:
"Jack:
Kaku was making a point using a toy model as an example, but he didn't consider alternative methods to generating negative energy density. On engineering technical grounds you cannot use the Casimir Effect to generate a warp drive metric using cavity plate separations on the order of the Planck length (per Johnson's e- mail to you where he quotes a section from Kaku's latest book)."
Wait a minute. Stop right there.
1. I agree with you that the particular scheme Kaku suggests will not work.
BUT
2. I am making a more fundamental point of principle for ALL possible designs.
That is, in Newtonian-Galilean limit, GR says
Grad^2V(Gravity) ~ (G/c^2)(Energy Density + 3 Pressure)
Now for ordinary matter
Pressure << Energy Density
and that recovers Newton's theory of gravity.
But CASIMIR is ZPF and for isotropic ZPF
w = -1
from Lorentz invariance + Equivalence Principle
any one who says different is seriously wrong from the MAINSTREAM POV
e.g. Rocky Kolb, Mike Turner et-al
http://www-conf.slac.stanford.edu/ssi/2005/lec_notes/Kolb1/default.htm
http://www-conf.slac.stanford.edu/ssi/2005/lec_notes/Kolb2/default.htm
also Peacock p. 26 Cosmological Physics
The QED Casimir potential energy per unit test particle rest energy is
V(Casimir)/c^2 = ah/mcr
In contrast the ABSOLUTE GRAVITY of the ZPF dark energy I am talking about is the QUALITATIVELY different term
V(Dark Energy Core)/c^2 = /\zpfr^2 (3D Harmonic Oscillator "Spring" Confinement)
/\zpf > 0
Where for an EVO in a thin charged spherical shell configuration with charge Q, mass M and SPIN S about an axis through its center of mass, with a uniform dark energy ZPF negative pressure core on the inside of the spinning shell, the total effective potential in the Newtonian-Galilean limit of 1915 GR (for initial simplicity toy model) is
V(r)/c^2 = ah/Mcr + bQ^2/Mc^2r + (S/MCr)^2 + /\zpfr^2
a is a pure number from QED, e.g. DeWitt's "regularization"
b is a pure number for the self-Coulomb energy of the extended thin shell of charge Q.
In the usual classical mechanical way
dV(r)/dr = 0
determines the equilibrium size of the EVO
d^2V(r)/dr^2 > 0
shows the STABILITY of this configuration.
When N = 1, Q = e, M = mass of electron, S = h/2
My original discovery is the /\zpfr^2 term that solves the old Lorentz/Abraham-Becker Poincare Stress issue for the electron as an extended Bohm hidden variable piloted by the Quantum Potential - as Vigier needs for his "tight atomic states" theory with possibly the NEW FORM OF ATOMIC ENERGY investigated experimentally in Beograd. I mean ATOMIC not NUCLEAR here.
When you do this in general relativity, the low energy size 10^-11 cm of the micro-geon will shrink down to 10^-16 cm as the impact parameter r ~ h/p, p = scattering momentum transfer increases. One has to use a Kerr-Newman Metric of course. /\zpf adjusts to give the observed m ~ 10^-27 gm.
Now for WARP DRIVE my point is
Energy Density + 3Pressure = (Energy Density)(1 + 3w)
is what must go negative NOT Energy Density ALONE as Kaku SLOPPILY says!
That's my point.
For Cold Matter w ~ 0 positive
For EM radiation w = +1/3
The QUINTESSENT FIELD BOUNDARY is at w = -1/3
w < -1 is PHANTOM ENERGY with the BIG RIP DOOMSDAY WMD
"I AM SHIVA Destroyer/Creator of Universes"!
Eric:"There is no technology known today that can engineer a cavity with such miniscule plate separations."
Obviously, but here is my ORIGINAL DARK ENERGY DETECTOR GEDANKENEXPERIMENT!
Even if we did, so what? Now of course, virtual photons have positive ZPF energy density with negative pressure. Therefore, even though for parallel plates of area A separated by L you may have the weak QED Casimir force
-dU(Casimir)/dL ~ ahcA/L^4
You will also have
-dU(Dark Energy)/dL ~ (c^4/8piG*)L^2/\zpf (1D NONLINEAR Oscillator Vacuum SPRING)
You have completely neglected this term.
Note that c^4/8piG* is STRING TENSION and /\zpf has dimension 1/Area
That is the Dark Energy CONFINEMENT EXOTIC VACUUM SPRING DETECTOR
This directly measures the SUPERSTRING TENSION "alpha'" of Ed Witten.
If there are EXTRA SPACE DIMENSIONS we will measure G* >> G.
The above was a mindless dimensional analysis.
Other possible dimensionally consistent formulae are
(c^4/8piG*)LA^1/2/\zpf 1-D Harmonic Oscillator Vacuum Spring
(c^4/8piG*)A/\zpf (linear confinement potential)
Note that
c^4/G* = STRING TENSION = SPACE-TIME STIFFNESS "FORCE"
Sakharov's idea is ZPF induced gravity i.e.
hc/L^2 = c^4/8piG*
L = effective CUTOFF
Note this is
1/L^2 = c^3/hG*
"Plate separations that small are unrealistic because the Casimir effect switches over into the non-retarded field behavior (~ d^ƒ {3) of van der Waals forces when plate separations go below the wavelength (~ 15 nm) where they are no longer perfectly conducting."
Eric, I know all this TEXT BOOK QED STUFF. It's COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT to the INTERESTING NEW PHYSICS!
Regards,
Eric
Eric W. Davis, Ph.D., FBIS
Inst. for Advanced Studies at Austin
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