On Aug 27, 2004, at 4:35 PM, Jack Sarfatti wrote:


On Aug 27, 2004, at 4:09 PM, Tony Smith wrote:

Jack, with respect to confinement of electrons in a cluster,
have you considered the possible relevance of
Bohm's Hidden Variable Paper II, section 5,
(reprinted at page 387 of Quantum Theory and Measurement,
edited by Wheeler and Zurek (Princeton 1983))

Yes, this was the first thing I thought of at ISSO in 1999 when Ken Shoulders came to talk about his charge cluster experiments.

But in this case, the quantum potential of N electrons? Remember N is typically 10^11. This is VERY NONLOCAL, which is NOT GOOD!

My whole theory is based upon the LOCAL GIANT Bohm MACRO-QUANTUM potential of the vacuum condensate of virtual pairs that causes both Einstein's gravity of 1915 to EMERGE (Sakharov) along with the EXOTIC VACUA that is 96% of the universe and that the Pundits do not understand as well as I do at this point in time.


in which Bohm says:

"... the PSI-field is able to bring the particle to rest
and to transform the entire kinetic energy into potential energy
of interaction with the PSI-field. ...".

Bohm discusses specifically the situation of
"... a "free" particle contained between two impenetrable and
perfectly reflecting walls, separated by a distance L. ...",
but
perhaps a similar analysis might apply to a spherical cluster.

There is no "perhaps" about it. I have a pretty good model that solves the problem and explains why Ken is also seeing energy production.

Bohm goes on to say:
"... at first sight, it may seem puzzling
that a particle having a high energy should be at rest
in the empty space between two walls.
Let us recall, however, that the space is not really empty,
but
contains an objectively real PSI-field that can act on the particle. ...".

The point here is that you must explain why the boundary forms! You cannot impose it by fiat. The boundary is the thin shell of charge itself of radius a ~ N^1/2(h/mc).

If N ~ 10^12 that gives a ~ 10^-5 cm.



Have you worked out how the Bohm PSI-field might be related
to your dark energy/matter model ?

Of course I have. But

"The Question is: What is The Question?" (Wheeler)

The Bohm Q-BIT PSI-field of WHAT?

The entangled N electrons? NO!

The vacuum out of which gravity emerges? YES!

The Bohm potential of N electrons is essentially repulsive, i.e. Pauli exclusion principle. In any case it is not a LOCAL FIELD and we need a LOCAL FIELD.

"Physics is simple when it is local." (Wheeler)


On Aug 27, 2004, at 3:53 PM, Jack Sarfatti wrote:

PS I should make it clear that this latest paper by Hal is a GOOD paper! It is very useful. Good references and it shows WHY Hal's approach here is wrong. It is wrong because it is incomplete not because it is fundamentally misconceived like Hal's PV theory and origin of inertia theory! It is missing a few IDEAS from a different part of physics that is not within Hal's current landscape of concepts i.e. not in his toolbox.

Hal's paper here is not like his PV paper. The two papers are totally independent. Also it is not like his paper with Bernie Haisch on "origin of inertia".