From the last episode of this Scientific Mystery Thriller
It is so difficult to detect ELF gravity waves so is the claim here that the detection & generation of HFGW more efficient?

Even if it was, I do not understand the motivation for this approach because far field radiation is like a leak in the water tank when you are trying to conserve water!

That is, we want to use the MACRO-QUANTUM NEAR VIRTUAL GRAVITY FIELDS ~ 1/r^2 in the whole (frequency-wavevector space) etc. that do not propagate away to infinity in the form of gravity radiation. That is the gravity induction type fields (off-mass-shell) are more important for practical metric engineering of warp and wormhole than the gravity waves ~ 1/r (on-mass-shell where frequency = (speed of light)(wavenumber) locus in frequency-wavevector space).

Also one needs to consider all 5 polarization states of the near gravity field off mass shell (light cone) not only the two leaky radiation polarizations + & - helicity. For now assume a weak warp field on flat Minkowski background. Will that suffice for saucer flight? The strong field self-dual/anti self-dual "nonlinear gravitons" have a chiral asymmetry like parity non-conservation in the weak force - that may be an important clue. We need to use the 5D O(4,1) deSitter space momentum-energy Cartan 1-form prior to local gauging of O(4,1):

Pa = -i{[1 - (r^2 - t^2)/R^2]^-1&a + (x^bMab/R^2)]}

/\zpf = 1/R^2

R ~ 10^28 cm

s^2 = r^2 - t^2

{Mab} = Lie algebra of O(3,1)

Note that DeSitter O(4,1) is a subgroup of O(4,2) basic to Penrose's twistor theory.

d = dx^a&a = Cartan exterior derivative with

d^2 = 0

observer at r = t = 0 = location of ship

P = dx^aPa = -ihd + /\zpf (stuff)

Note if

P ~ ihd

Then

P^2 = 0 fundamentally, i.e. massless field

On the other hand, when dark energy density ~ /\zpf

P^2 =/= 0.

On Apr 29, 2006, at 1:14 PM, Jack Sarfatti wrote:

The propulsion part seems dubious. The rest not. Ray Chiao has a better idea IMO.
On Apr 29, 2006, at 12:45 PM, RON STAHL wrote:

I haven't read about Baker in a year or two but the concept is based upon oscillating mass.

Ray Chiao has another idea.


When it gets a jolt, it releases HFGW's in the GHz range His devise is designed to produce coherent waves that don't attenuate when passing through matter.

Problem is signal strength.

I had heard that he was working with the Chinese on a communications scheme--call your subs, have your cell phone contact anyone on the planet at any time, etc. I had also heard I think, that a year ago at STAIF he was saying that he had more confidence in communications apps than in propulsion.

That's what I told you.


Now I pop onto the web site and find projections for propulsion. Well color me crazy but WHERE ARE THE AMERICAN INVESTORS?!!!

If there is anything to it - it's classified is my guess financed by UAE. ;-)


On Apr 29, 2006, at 12:20 PM, Jack Sarfatti wrote:

I know George Chapline since 1966 at UCSD La Jolla and Cal Tech. We were both part of the scene that Greg Benford describes in his Sci Fi novel "Timescape" about messages from the future i.e. SIGNAL NONLOCALITY that I am working on NOW although that concept was UNKNOWN back in the 1960's & even 70's!
I have written George about this and will see what he says.
I have not yet considered the URLS in detail. Kip Thorne & Ray Chiao should be asked. It is so difficult to detect ELF gravity waves so is the claim here that the detection & generation of HFGW more efficient?

Even if it was, I do not understand the motivation for this approach because far field radiation is like a leak in the water tank when you are trying to conserve water!

That is, we want to use the MACRO-QUANTUM NEAR VIRTUAL GRAVITY FIELDS ~ 1/r^2 in the whole (frequency-wavevector space) etc. that do not propagate away to infinity in the form of gravity radiation. That is the gravity induction type fields (off-mass-shell) are more important for practical metric engineering of warp and wormhole than the gravity waves ~ 1/r (on-mass-shell where frequency = (speed of light)(wavenumber) locus in frequency-wavevector space).

On Apr 29, 2006, at 11:57 AM, RON STAHL wrote:

the good old boys are out of their minds. . .look at the 20 year projection at the first link

http://www.gravwave.com/docs/Chinese&GRAVWAVE%20Joint%20HFGW%20Project.pdf

http://www.gravwave.com/docs/Dr%5B1%5D.%20George%20Chapline%27s%20Comments.pdf

Jack, as you probably know, this propulsion concept is based upon creating a singularity through constructive interferance of HFGW's. Set aside whether you think Baker can succeed at this and tell me, with the projectors attached to a ship, which is falling toward the singularity, which is receeding as the ship draws near. . .a moving gravity well. I don't see a reason to suppose this would be limited to subluminal travel, do you?

What you wrote makes no sense to me. The basic idea is simple. You use dark zero point energy with negative pressure & w < - 1/3 BEHIND the ship. This dark energy's induced gravity repulsion expands space behind the ship and makes a counter-intuitive reverse Dopper gravity BLUE SHIFT of all signals coming from the expanding space at the stern. You do opposite in front, i.e. positive pressure zero point energy causing contraction of space that gives a counter intuitive reverse gravity red shift from the bow. Note observations of rapidly changing colors of saucers. Those color patterns should correlate with the motion of the saucer if my idea is correct. See Jacques Vallee's "Fastwalker" for a fictional version as well as my Super Cosmos. Are Skinwalkers inside Fastwalkers? ;-)

You do this by inhomogeneous phase-locking of the vacuum's Goldstone phases to a a control Goldstone phase in thin-film high Tc anyon condensate modulated by tiny perpendicular magnetic field flux quanta - all at micro->nanoscale. That's my rough current intuition on how it basically works.
http://arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0602022