Tony
Where we stand right now.
1. I agree Tony your hollow sphere halo variation on my original solid sphere halo of exotic vacuum centered at Sun seems to evade the ephemeris constraint problem of 10^-6M(Sun) exotic vacuum inside the orbit of Uranus at 20AU from the Sun. Newton's potential theory explains that, i.e. neglecting post-Newtonian gravimagnetic "Lorentz forces" - the mass outside a sphere does not influence the interior of the sphere.
2. I also agree with you that the Sanchez Foucault's Pendulum idea applied to the Pioneer 10/11 Anomaly is a very pretty idea that we need to think about because of its possible connection to the Berry-Goldstone phase of the Macro-Quantum coherent rigid Higgs Ocean local order parameter that must be single-valued about any topological defect. In this case the topological defect appears to be an exotic vacuum fluid hedgehog with an effective inhomogeneous rotation with the acceleration anomaly a_P as a simple centripetal acceleration!
That is let f(r) be the local exotic vacuum rotation rate. The tangential speed about the axis of rotation is
v(r) = f(r)r
The inward pointing centripetal acceleration is
a_P(r) = v(r)^2/r = f(r)^2r
f(r)^2 ~ 1/r
Therefore a_P(r) is independent of r
The Einstein exotic vacuum tensor field equation is (Hal Puthoff's non-tensor PV model that conflicts with Einstein's battle-tested "GCT" theory, even Michael Ibison says so, is completely inadequate to deal with these real problems grounded in real observations)
Guv + /\zpfguv = 0
In this Newtonian limit we are essentially only dealing with the 00 component
Goo + /\zpfgoo = 0
Which in the well known way from Einstein's 1915 papers reduces to the Newtonian Poisson field equation
Grad^2V(Geometry) = 4pic^2/\zpf
i.e. G(ordinary mass density source) is replaced by c^2/\zpf
V is the vacuum gravity potential energy per unit test point particle mass.
Motional "Lorentz force" gravimagnetism is in the other neglected components that are here "small". Also no torsion here and no conformal boost gravity and no dilation gravity as yet. This is a gauge theory. Right now we only locally gauge the 4 infinitesimal generators of the 4D translation group i.e. the "momenergy" "space-time charge" in Wheeler's terminology. GCT is simply disguised local phase invariance on the single-valued macro-quantum coherenr local order parameter of the post-inflationary Higgs Ocean - the source of gravity and inertia unified in Einstein's principle of equivalence. I have only been using a U(1) Higgs Ocean, but it could be U(N) with more complex topological defects other than stringy "vortices" of disclination.
If the test particle has a gyroscopic "spin" like Pioneer 10-11's rotations around their centers of mass, then we will also need to check out the additional gravimagnetic components. For now I ignore these.
OK back to freshman physics 101
f(r)^2 ~ 1/r
We have two choices here. Both fit the present facts equally well.
I. fI(r,t) = cH(t)/r
H(t) = R(t)^-1dR(t)/dt in sense of FRW metric
R(t) is dimensionless
R(Now) = 10^61 using the Lp = 10^-33 cm measuring rod
Lp^2 = hG/c^3
cH(Now) = a_P ~ 10^-7cm/sec^2 = 10^-10g(Earth's surface)
II. fII(r,t) = (LpR(t)r)^-1
This choice gives same observational result.
We cannot choose which as yet.
In either case
c^2/\zpf(r,t) = f^2(r,t)
The two models differ in their cosmic time t dependence.
t ~ h/kT
Here t = 0 is the Big Bang.
If you believe quantum gravity foamy graniness of space-time then
"0" ~ 10^-44 sec
"infinite T" ~ hc/kLp
T is Kelvin temperature of the cosmic blackbody radiation that is maximally isotropic ~ 10^-5 or so from WMAP in the global Hubble flow of the physical vacuum, exotic or ordinary. The FRW cosmology metric breaks GCT symmetry of the Einstein field equations giving a global cosmic time with a preferred "rest" called the Hubble flow. This is like the ferromagnet whose spontaneous magnetization violates the rotational symmetry of its field equations - more precisely of the action out of which the field equations come as Lagrange equations from the extremal critical points of the action functional over Feynman histories.
On Oct 21, 2004, at 1:43 PM, Tony Smith wrote:
Bob, your idea "... Why could this slight perturbation not be explained
by some extra matter out there in the Kuiper belt
which the JPL navigators neglected to take into account? ..."
is
somewhat similar to the following suggestion that I made
to Jack Sarfatti in the context of his dark energy/dark matter model:
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Consider a Feynman Lecture picture of a uniform mass distribution in
a spherical shell centered on the sun whose radius is at least
the 20 AU distance of Uranus.
Then
NO MATTER THE SIZE OF THE MASS OR WHETHER IT IS POSITIVE OR NEGATIVE
the resulting potential in that part of the solar system
within 20 AU Uranus distance is CONSTANT and
the resulting force (and acceleration) is ZERO.
Therefore, ANY distibution of exotic dark energy/matter that
can be modelled by a set of such shells concentric on the sun
will have NO observable acceleration WITHIN 20 AU Uranus distance.
However,
as Pioneer goes beyond Uranus and begins to enter the
set of concentric spheres,
it will then perceive the dark energy/matter mass that
is in the shells through which it has passed
as a point mass located at the sun (center of the spheres),
and
if the mass is positive dark matter, Pioneer will then experience
a corresponding acceleration toward the sun.
The next question is what type of distribution of mass shells
will give a constant acceleration as Pioneer progresses
outwardly through the shells.
[ NOTE - IN MY PREVIOUS MESSAGES I ERRONEOUSLY SAID THAT
URANUS WAS AT 30 AU - IN FACT IT IS ABOUT 20 AU ]
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As you mention, shells of ordinary matter beginning at
the 20 AU radius of the orbit of Uranus would work just as
well if the ordinary matter followed a similar distribution
as mentioned in the suggestion above.
The main problem with using ordinary matter is that the
effect begins to be observed as far in as Uranus,
and
I don't know of any observed ordinary matter that far
inside the Kuiper belt (which conventionally starts beyond
the orbit of Neptune at about 30 AU)
that could account for the Pioneer anomaly.
In other words,
the search for the "new stuff" has to begin at Uranus
because that is where the acceleration change occurs.
It is also conventional that the Kuiper belt (unlike
the Oort cloud much further out) is in the ecliptic plane
rather than a spherical distribution (that could be
dealt with by using a proper planar mass distribution),
and
that Neptune and Uranus have swept up most of the Kuiper
material that may have been present in the Uranus-Neptune
region when the solar system formed (if true, that would
rule out a Kuiper belt model).
It is interesting that the important region to explore
to study this is the region around Uranus (20 AU)
rather than Neptune/Kuiper belt beginning (30 AU).
An odd fact is that Uranus (where the acceleration begins)
is the only planet whose spin axis is close to its orbital plane.
Maybe something about the acceleration transition region at Uranus
caused its rotation axis to lie almost in its orbital plane
when Uranus was formed.
Tony
Thursday, October 21, 2004
Wednesday, October 20, 2004
On Oct 20, 2004, at 6:53 PM, Jack Sarfatti wrote:
On Oct 20, 2004, at 6:21 PM, Jack Sarfatti wrote:
Paul that's nonsense. Read Mike Turner's Rev Mod Phys article. What you propose here is brain dead and leads to nothing. You are way off base here out of touch with what is really going on.
On Oct 20, 2004, at 1:07 PM, iksnileiz@earthlink.net wrote:
Well, you know my view on all this: it's like rearranging the deck chairs
on the Titanic.
These anomalies, and the whole question of dark energy, raises serious
questions about the entire empirical foundation of contemporary spacetime
and gravitational physics, IMHO.
To the contrary, Dark Energy is the Gift of the Gods to Man! Thar's Gold in them thar skies Boys! Whoopee. Yeehaw! This is better than the San Francisco Gold Rush! Better than Oil in Iraq for Lone Cheney and the Halliburton Gang from Bushwacko, Texas, home of the Silverado S&L Great Bank Robbery and ENRON. Dark Energy exotic vacuum /\zpf field is the COSMIC OIL FIELD. It's Kip Thorne's "exotic matter" for wormhole star gate time travel and Alcubierre's faster than light warp drive. Where you see dispair and defeat Paul, I see opportunity and victory! Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of The Sarfatti and Make Star Trek Real. Space is the New Frontier. It is our Manifest Destiny Matrix. Go into space-time metric engineering young man if you want to make your fortune. This is the New Futurism.
I would suggest that we are hardly in a position to do "scientific cosmology"
unless we can really claim to understand our most fundamental theories of
space, time, and gravitation, and their empirical motivation.
To the contrary. Precision cosmology is accurate now to ~ 2% and rests on more than 3 independent experimental methods ALL converging to SAME STORY told by
Guv + /\zpf ~ 0
The theory is simple and elegant and all pops out of the Higgs Ocean.
a_p(t) = cH(t)
is very intriguing and the Foucault Pendulum model looks good since it can be tied to Berry Phase hence a topological defect that I guess will be the hedghog - I need to think about that more - still a vague idea.
Model 1
/\zpf(t,r) = H(t)/cr
with V(t,r)zpf = +cHr
In the hollow halo hedgehog exotic vacuum topological defect centered at Sun starting from r ~ 20 AU out ..
Model 2
/\zpf(t,r) = 1/LpR(t)r
Where
H(t) = R(t)^-1dR(t)/dt
V(t,r)zpf = +(c^2/LpR(t))r
Since BOTH Pioneers show same a_P their local spins cannot be important. A rotation of the hollow halo BTW
Let the inhomogeneous rotation rate be f(r) Hz.
Then v(r) ~ f(r)r and the centripetal acceleration is
a(r) = v(r)^2/r = f(r)^2r
f(r)^2 = c^2/\zpf(r) = c^2/(LpR(t)r)
Or, alternatively
f(r)^2 = cH/r
Note that the tangential flow speed of the exotic vacuum "fluid" is
v(r) ~ r^1/2
Creon Levit wrote:
On Oct 19, 2004, at 5:54 PM, Jack Sarfatti wrote:
OK so what does
To produce our anomalous acceleration
even only out to 50 AU would require the total dark
matter to be greater than 3 × 10^−4M
⊙. But this is in
conflict with the accuracy of the ephemeris, which allows
only of order a few times 10^−6M⊙ of dark matter even
within the orbit of Uranus [8]".
really mean? How far out does this "ephemeris" constraint really extend?
I think it means that if there was enough dark matter distributed as 1/r to explain the PA then planetary motions would not be predictable using the standard post-Newtonian model. But that model explains planetary motions (i.e. produces the ephemerides) with great accuracy.
The authors of gr-qc/0104064 are admirably thorough. Some relevant quotes and references regarding the "ephemeris constraint" are:
"...The analyses
are modeled to include the effects of planetary perturbations,
radiation pressure, the interplanetary media,
general relativity, and bias and drift in the Doppler and
range (if available). Planetary coordinates and solar system
masses are obtained using JPL’s Export Planetary
Ephemeris DE405, where DE stands for the Development
Ephemeris. [Earlier in the study, DE200 was used. See
Section VA.]
"We include models of precession, nutation, sidereal rotation,
polar motion, tidal effects, and tectonic plates
drift. Model values of the tidal deceleration, nonuniformity
of rotation, polar motion, Love numbers, and Chandler
wobble are obtained observationally, by means of
Lunar and Satellite Laser Ranging (LLR and SLR) techniques
and VLBI. Previously they were combined into
a common publication by either the International Earth
Rotation Service (IERS) or by the United States Naval
Observatory (USNO). Currently this information is provided
by the ICRF. JPL’s Earth Orientation Parameters
(EOP) is a major source contributor to the ICRF.
references:
[49] E. M. Standish, Jr., X X Newhall, J. G. Williams, and D. K. Yeomans, “Orbital ephemeris of the Sun, Moon, and Planets,” in: Ref. [55], p. 279. Also see E. M. Standish, Jr. and R. W. Hellings, Icarus 80, 326 (1989).
[50] E. M. Standish, Jr., X X Newhall, J. G. Williams, and W. M. Folkner, JPL Planetary and Lunar Ephemeris, DE403/LE403, Jet Propulsion Laboratory Internal IOM No. 314.10-127 (1995).
[55] P. K. Seidelmann, ed., Explanatory Supplement to the Astronomical Almanac (University Science Books, Mill Valley, CA, 1992).
[68] P. A. Laing, “Implementation of J2000.0 reference frame in CHASMP,” The Aerospace Corporation’s Internal Memorandum # 91(6703)-1. January 28, 1991.
[70] E. M. Standish, Astron. Astrophys. 114, 297 (1982)
[125] We thank E. Myles Standish of JPL, who encouraged us to address in greater detail the nature of the annual/ diurnal terms seen in the Pioneer Doppler residuals. (This work is currently under way.) He also kindly provided us with the accuracies from his internal JPL solar system ephemeris, which is continually under development.
So where do we go from here? Is there any fundamental difference between dark energy and dark matter w.r.t. these counter-arguments from gr-qc/0104064 ?
"We conclude that the Viking ranging data limit any
unmodeled radial acceleration acting on Earth and Mars
to no more than 0.1 × 10−8 cm/s2. Consequently, if the
anomalous radial acceleration acting on spinning spacecraft
is gravitational in origin, it is not universal. That
is, it must affect bodies in the 1000 kg range more than
bodies of planetary size by a factor of 100 or more. This
would be a strange violation of the Principle of Equivalence..."
What's this about "spinning spacecraft"? Huh?
Are the Pioneers rotating about their centers of mass?
Yes, they are spin-stabilized. Relevant quotes from the paper:
"... At launch they were spinning
at approximately 4.28 and 7.8 revolutions per minute
(rpm), respectively, with the spin axes running through
the centers of the dish antennae [HGA]. Their spin-stabilizations
and great distances from the Earth imply a minimum
number of Earth-attitude reorientationmaneuvers are required.
This permits precise acceleration estimations, to
the level of 10−8 cm/s2 (single measurement accuracy averaged
over 5 days). Contrariwise, a Voyager-type three-axis
stabilized spacecraft is not well suited for a precise
celestial mechanics experiment as its numerous attitudecontrol
maneuvers can overwhelm the signal of a small
external acceleration.
"The spacecraft is attitude-stabilized by spinning about
an axis which is parallel to the axis of the HGA. The
nominal spin rate for Pioneer 10 is 4.8 rpm. Pioneer 11
spins at approximately 7.8 rpm because a spin-controlling
thruster malfunctioned during the spin-down shortly after
launch. [Because of the danger that the thruster’s
valve would not be able to close again, this particular
thruster has not been used since.]...
"There were no anomalies in the engineering telemetry
from the propulsion system, for either spacecraft, during
any mission phase from launch to termination of the
Pioneer mission in March 1997. From the viewpoint of
mission operations at the NASA/Ames control center,
the propulsion system performed as expected, with no
catastrophic or long-term pressure drops in the propulsion
tank. Except for the above-mentioned Pioneer 11
spin-thruster incident, there was no malfunction of the
propulsion nozzles, which were only opened every few
months by ground command. The fact that pressure was
maintained in the tank has been used to infer that no
impacts by Kuiper belt objects occurred, and a limit has
been placed on the size and density distribution of such
objects [7], another useful scientific result."
On Oct 20, 2004, at 6:21 PM, Jack Sarfatti wrote:
Paul that's nonsense. Read Mike Turner's Rev Mod Phys article. What you propose here is brain dead and leads to nothing. You are way off base here out of touch with what is really going on.
On Oct 20, 2004, at 1:07 PM, iksnileiz@earthlink.net wrote:
Well, you know my view on all this: it's like rearranging the deck chairs
on the Titanic.
These anomalies, and the whole question of dark energy, raises serious
questions about the entire empirical foundation of contemporary spacetime
and gravitational physics, IMHO.
To the contrary, Dark Energy is the Gift of the Gods to Man! Thar's Gold in them thar skies Boys! Whoopee. Yeehaw! This is better than the San Francisco Gold Rush! Better than Oil in Iraq for Lone Cheney and the Halliburton Gang from Bushwacko, Texas, home of the Silverado S&L Great Bank Robbery and ENRON. Dark Energy exotic vacuum /\zpf field is the COSMIC OIL FIELD. It's Kip Thorne's "exotic matter" for wormhole star gate time travel and Alcubierre's faster than light warp drive. Where you see dispair and defeat Paul, I see opportunity and victory! Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of The Sarfatti and Make Star Trek Real. Space is the New Frontier. It is our Manifest Destiny Matrix. Go into space-time metric engineering young man if you want to make your fortune. This is the New Futurism.
I would suggest that we are hardly in a position to do "scientific cosmology"
unless we can really claim to understand our most fundamental theories of
space, time, and gravitation, and their empirical motivation.
To the contrary. Precision cosmology is accurate now to ~ 2% and rests on more than 3 independent experimental methods ALL converging to SAME STORY told by
Guv + /\zpf ~ 0
The theory is simple and elegant and all pops out of the Higgs Ocean.
a_p(t) = cH(t)
is very intriguing and the Foucault Pendulum model looks good since it can be tied to Berry Phase hence a topological defect that I guess will be the hedghog - I need to think about that more - still a vague idea.
Model 1
/\zpf(t,r) = H(t)/cr
with V(t,r)zpf = +cHr
In the hollow halo hedgehog exotic vacuum topological defect centered at Sun starting from r ~ 20 AU out ..
Model 2
/\zpf(t,r) = 1/LpR(t)r
Where
H(t) = R(t)^-1dR(t)/dt
V(t,r)zpf = +(c^2/LpR(t))r
Since BOTH Pioneers show same a_P their local spins cannot be important. A rotation of the hollow halo BTW
Let the inhomogeneous rotation rate be f(r) Hz.
Then v(r) ~ f(r)r and the centripetal acceleration is
a(r) = v(r)^2/r = f(r)^2r
f(r)^2 = c^2/\zpf(r) = c^2/(LpR(t)r)
Or, alternatively
f(r)^2 = cH/r
Note that the tangential flow speed of the exotic vacuum "fluid" is
v(r) ~ r^1/2
Creon Levit wrote:
On Oct 19, 2004, at 5:54 PM, Jack Sarfatti wrote:
OK so what does
To produce our anomalous acceleration
even only out to 50 AU would require the total dark
matter to be greater than 3 × 10^−4M
⊙. But this is in
conflict with the accuracy of the ephemeris, which allows
only of order a few times 10^−6M⊙ of dark matter even
within the orbit of Uranus [8]".
really mean? How far out does this "ephemeris" constraint really extend?
I think it means that if there was enough dark matter distributed as 1/r to explain the PA then planetary motions would not be predictable using the standard post-Newtonian model. But that model explains planetary motions (i.e. produces the ephemerides) with great accuracy.
The authors of gr-qc/0104064 are admirably thorough. Some relevant quotes and references regarding the "ephemeris constraint" are:
"...The analyses
are modeled to include the effects of planetary perturbations,
radiation pressure, the interplanetary media,
general relativity, and bias and drift in the Doppler and
range (if available). Planetary coordinates and solar system
masses are obtained using JPL’s Export Planetary
Ephemeris DE405, where DE stands for the Development
Ephemeris. [Earlier in the study, DE200 was used. See
Section VA.]
"We include models of precession, nutation, sidereal rotation,
polar motion, tidal effects, and tectonic plates
drift. Model values of the tidal deceleration, nonuniformity
of rotation, polar motion, Love numbers, and Chandler
wobble are obtained observationally, by means of
Lunar and Satellite Laser Ranging (LLR and SLR) techniques
and VLBI. Previously they were combined into
a common publication by either the International Earth
Rotation Service (IERS) or by the United States Naval
Observatory (USNO). Currently this information is provided
by the ICRF. JPL’s Earth Orientation Parameters
(EOP) is a major source contributor to the ICRF.
references:
[49] E. M. Standish, Jr., X X Newhall, J. G. Williams, and D. K. Yeomans, “Orbital ephemeris of the Sun, Moon, and Planets,” in: Ref. [55], p. 279. Also see E. M. Standish, Jr. and R. W. Hellings, Icarus 80, 326 (1989).
[50] E. M. Standish, Jr., X X Newhall, J. G. Williams, and W. M. Folkner, JPL Planetary and Lunar Ephemeris, DE403/LE403, Jet Propulsion Laboratory Internal IOM No. 314.10-127 (1995).
[55] P. K. Seidelmann, ed., Explanatory Supplement to the Astronomical Almanac (University Science Books, Mill Valley, CA, 1992).
[68] P. A. Laing, “Implementation of J2000.0 reference frame in CHASMP,” The Aerospace Corporation’s Internal Memorandum # 91(6703)-1. January 28, 1991.
[70] E. M. Standish, Astron. Astrophys. 114, 297 (1982)
[125] We thank E. Myles Standish of JPL, who encouraged us to address in greater detail the nature of the annual/ diurnal terms seen in the Pioneer Doppler residuals. (This work is currently under way.) He also kindly provided us with the accuracies from his internal JPL solar system ephemeris, which is continually under development.
So where do we go from here? Is there any fundamental difference between dark energy and dark matter w.r.t. these counter-arguments from gr-qc/0104064 ?
"We conclude that the Viking ranging data limit any
unmodeled radial acceleration acting on Earth and Mars
to no more than 0.1 × 10−8 cm/s2. Consequently, if the
anomalous radial acceleration acting on spinning spacecraft
is gravitational in origin, it is not universal. That
is, it must affect bodies in the 1000 kg range more than
bodies of planetary size by a factor of 100 or more. This
would be a strange violation of the Principle of Equivalence..."
What's this about "spinning spacecraft"? Huh?
Are the Pioneers rotating about their centers of mass?
Yes, they are spin-stabilized. Relevant quotes from the paper:
"... At launch they were spinning
at approximately 4.28 and 7.8 revolutions per minute
(rpm), respectively, with the spin axes running through
the centers of the dish antennae [HGA]. Their spin-stabilizations
and great distances from the Earth imply a minimum
number of Earth-attitude reorientationmaneuvers are required.
This permits precise acceleration estimations, to
the level of 10−8 cm/s2 (single measurement accuracy averaged
over 5 days). Contrariwise, a Voyager-type three-axis
stabilized spacecraft is not well suited for a precise
celestial mechanics experiment as its numerous attitudecontrol
maneuvers can overwhelm the signal of a small
external acceleration.
"The spacecraft is attitude-stabilized by spinning about
an axis which is parallel to the axis of the HGA. The
nominal spin rate for Pioneer 10 is 4.8 rpm. Pioneer 11
spins at approximately 7.8 rpm because a spin-controlling
thruster malfunctioned during the spin-down shortly after
launch. [Because of the danger that the thruster’s
valve would not be able to close again, this particular
thruster has not been used since.]...
"There were no anomalies in the engineering telemetry
from the propulsion system, for either spacecraft, during
any mission phase from launch to termination of the
Pioneer mission in March 1997. From the viewpoint of
mission operations at the NASA/Ames control center,
the propulsion system performed as expected, with no
catastrophic or long-term pressure drops in the propulsion
tank. Except for the above-mentioned Pioneer 11
spin-thruster incident, there was no malfunction of the
propulsion nozzles, which were only opened every few
months by ground command. The fact that pressure was
maintained in the tank has been used to infer that no
impacts by Kuiper belt objects occurred, and a limit has
been placed on the size and density distribution of such
objects [7], another useful scientific result."
On Oct 20, 2004, at 10:38 AM, Creon Levit wrote:
On Oct 19, 2004, at 5:54 PM, Jack Sarfatti wrote:
OK so what does
To produce our anomalous acceleration
even only out to 50 AU would require the total dark
matter to be greater than 3 × 10^−4M⊙. But this is in
conflict with the accuracy of the ephemeris, which allows
only of order a few times 10^−6M⊙ of dark matter even
within the orbit of Uranus [8]".
really mean? How far out does this "ephemeris" constraint really extend?
I think it means that if there was enough dark matter distributed as 1/r to explain the PA then planetary motions would not be predictable using the standard post-Newtonian model. But that model explains planetary motions (i.e. produces the ephemerides) with great accuracy.
Yes, but how far out in space does that go? It is obvious that this shoots down the idea of solid sphere of exotic vacuum centered at the Sun inside the solar system. Tony Smith suggested a hollowed out sphere of /\zpf = (LpR(t)r)^-1 starting out beyond the solar system. BTW this would be like the topological defect called a "hedgehog" for gradient lines of the scalar exotic vacuum potential /\zpf. So the issue is whether Tony's multiply-connected extension of my original simply connected halo without a hole in the middle is consistent with the ephemeris constraint or not? Perhaps you can talk to some experts at NASA about this?
LaViolette's model is too eccentric to even mention in our paper. If Carlos wants us to mention his paper, OK but we will say that all models of min acceleration from graininess of space-time stretched out to ~ c^2/(Hubble Scale) are falsified by this ephemeris constraint. We can leave his name out of it altogether if he wishes and just make a generic statement.
The authors of gr-qc/0104064 are admirably thorough.
Yeah, I will study it this weekend. I am having another serious tooth pain (different tooth) and getting gum surgery Fri AM meantime I am on huge doses of pain killers. Meantime see if you can find out if this ephemeris stuff shoots down even Tony's hedgehog.
Some relevant quotes and references regarding the "ephemeris constraint" are:
"...The analyses
are modeled to include the effects of planetary perturbations,
radiation pressure, the interplanetary media,
general relativity, and bias and drift in the Doppler and
range (if available). Planetary coordinates and solar system
masses are obtained using JPL’s Export Planetary
Ephemeris DE405, where DE stands for the Development
Ephemeris. [Earlier in the study, DE200 was used. See
Section VA.]
"We include models of precession, nutation, sidereal rotation,
polar motion, tidal effects, and tectonic plates
drift. Model values of the tidal deceleration, nonuniformity
of rotation, polar motion, Love numbers, and Chandler
wobble are obtained observationally, by means of
Lunar and Satellite Laser Ranging (LLR and SLR) techniques
and VLBI. Previously they were combined into
a common publication by either the International Earth
Rotation Service (IERS) or by the United States Naval
Observatory (USNO). Currently this information is provided
by the ICRF. JPL’s Earth Orientation Parameters
(EOP) is a major source contributor to the ICRF.
references:
[49] E. M. Standish, Jr., X X Newhall, J. G. Williams, and D. K. Yeomans, “Orbital ephemeris of the Sun, Moon, and Planets,” in: Ref. [55], p. 279. Also see E. M. Standish, Jr. and R. W. Hellings, Icarus 80, 326 (1989).
[50] E. M. Standish, Jr., X X Newhall, J. G. Williams, and W. M. Folkner, JPL Planetary and Lunar Ephemeris, DE403/LE403, Jet Propulsion Laboratory Internal IOM No. 314.10-127 (1995).
[55] P. K. Seidelmann, ed., Explanatory Supplement to the Astronomical Almanac (University Science Books, Mill Valley, CA, 1992).
[68] P. A. Laing, “Implementation of J2000.0 reference frame in CHASMP,” The Aerospace Corporation’s Internal Memorandum # 91(6703)-1. January 28, 1991.
[70] E. M. Standish, Astron. Astrophys. 114, 297 (1982)
[125] We thank E. Myles Standish of JPL, who encouraged us to address in greater detail the nature of the annual/ diurnal terms seen in the Pioneer Doppler residuals. (This work is currently under way.) He also kindly provided us with the accuracies from his internal JPL solar system ephemeris, which is continually under development.
Yeah, so actually this is hopeful. What we need to find out from the NASA experts is: can we imagine a hollow sphere of exotic vacuum of effective "mass" ~ 10^-3 M(Sun) say between 20AU and 50AU from the Sun. Will that conflict with the ephemeris constraint or not? If not, we are systems go! If it does conflict, then the Pioneer anomaly is still a mystery - not an exotic vacuum effect.
On the surface of it, it looks like my original model is shot down - even Tony's hollow sphere variation. Carlos's idea also seems obviously shot down?
So where do we go from here? Is there any fundamental difference between dark energy and dark matter w.r.t. these counter-arguments from gr-qc/0104064 ?
No, that makes no difference here. If the hollow sphere works it will be a dark energy hedgehog defect halo of negative zero point pressure because we need a positive exotic vacuum potential energy per unit test mass of
Vzpf =c^2r/LpR(t)
So the acceleration induced by the local exotic vacuum dark energy scalar field is -GradVzpf = -c^2/LpR(t) ~ 10^-7 cm/sec^2
where the DIMENSIONLESS FRW scale factor at present epoch where T ~ 2.7 degK is R(t) = 10^61, with Lp = 10^-33 cm.
The total effective mass of this exotic vacuum halo with a hole big enough to fit the entire solar system is ~ 10^-3M(Sun).
BTW Carlos' willingness to make R bigger than 10^28 cm in his c^2/R formula would mean it could not explain Pioneer anomaly at all in that case. Time to leave a sinking ship! :-)
"We conclude that the Viking ranging data limit any
unmodeled radial acceleration acting on Earth and Mars
to no more than 0.1 × 10−8 cm/s2. Consequently, if the
anomalous radial acceleration acting on spinning spacecraft
is gravitational in origin, it is not universal. That
is, it must affect bodies in the 1000 kg range more than
bodies of planetary size by a factor of 100 or more. This
would be a strange violation of the Principle of Equivalence..."
This is OK so far for Tony's idea.
What's this about "spinning spacecraft"? Huh?
Are the Pioneers rotating about their centers of mass?
Yes, they are spin-stabilized. Relevant quotes from the paper:
"... At launch they were spinning
at approximately 4.28 and 7.8 revolutions per minute
(rpm), respectively, with the spin axes running through
the centers of the dish antennae [HGA]. Their spin-stabilizations
and great distances from the Earth imply a minimum
number of Earth-attitude reorientationmaneuvers are required.
This permits precise acceleration estimations, to
the level of 10−8 cm/s2 (single measurement accuracy averaged
over 5 days). Contrariwise, a Voyager-type three-axis
stabilized spacecraft is not well suited for a precise
celestial mechanics experiment as its numerous attitudecontrol
maneuvers can overwhelm the signal of a small
external acceleration.
Oh, well this makes the situation more complex than I thought. I was basically thinking of a point test particle. So it's not so simple. We will need more than the Newtonian limit I was using. It could be a STRONG gravimagnetic exotic vacuum effect from the full tensor /\zpfguv. In my above model I simply used /\zpfgoo! Are they seeing sinusoidal variations in the Doppler shifts in the raw data like in pulsar measurements and then deducing the anomaly from that? How big is the solar system in AU? I mean from beyond Uranus. I am assuming that there is no Pioneer anomaly until it passed the Uranus orbit - correct? OK Google says that's 20 AU. OK, so are we OK with the ephemeris constraint if we have ordinary vacuum /\zpf = 0 out from Sun to 20AU and then we start with
/\zpf ~ (LpR(t)r)^-1
"The spacecraft is attitude-stabilized by spinning about
an axis which is parallel to the axis of the HGA. The
nominal spin rate for Pioneer 10 is 4.8 rpm. Pioneer 11
spins at approximately 7.8 rpm because a spin-controlling
thruster malfunctioned during the spin-down shortly after
launch. [Because of the danger that the thruster’s
valve would not be able to close again, this particular
thruster has not been used since.]...
"There were no anomalies in the engineering telemetry
from the propulsion system, for either spacecraft, during
any mission phase from launch to termination of the
Pioneer mission in March 1997. From the viewpoint of
mission operations at the NASA/Ames control center,
the propulsion system performed as expected, with no
catastrophic or long-term pressure drops in the propulsion
tank. Except for the above-mentioned Pioneer 11
spin-thruster incident, there was no malfunction of the
propulsion nozzles, which were only opened every few
months by ground command. The fact that pressure was
maintained in the tank has been used to infer that no
impacts by Kuiper belt objects occurred, and a limit has
been placed on the size and density distribution of such
objects [7], another useful scientific result."
I thought this was an anomalous tug ~ 10^-7 cm/sec^2 back to Sun on their centers of mass?
Well, have a look at the paper and see if you can figure it out. I can't tell if the anomalous acceleration is measured A) along the spacecraft spin axis B) radially from the sun or C) towards the earth.
Now here's a weird idea: Back in ISSO days I was fascinated by the reports of several experimenters who measured anomalous weight differences between spinning and non-spinning objects, There was even a publication in phys. rev. B with a positive result, and John Brandenburg's group at RSI also got positive results in two separate implementations of the experiment - one funded (if I recall correctly) by ISSO. There was a Japanese group that did drop-tower tests and published positive results. There were also the results of Bruce DePalma ("effect of gravity on spinning objects" - much more straightforward and believable than his free energy machine "results", FWIW)
Yes, this would be some kind of exotic vacuum gravimagnetic effect from the motional gravimagnetic components in the full /\zpfguv tensor term in Einstein's GR field equation. We don't want any eccentric Hal Puthoff PV model or LaViolette Galilean ether in our paper - only battle-tested Einstein mainstream. No need to look for new paradigms. It ain't broke.
We tried to replicate some of this at ISSO. Had to quit. Ran out of money. Too bad. So simple. So important. It's another example of an experiment that "everyone knows" must produce a null result, so nobody bothers to actually check it.
So could that be what we are seeing? A slight difference between the effect of gravity on a spinning object versus its effect on a non-spinning "point mass" ?
I am sure that's where gravimagnetism from the exotic vacuum field comes in. Simply the "Lorentz force" terms in /\zpfguv. Maybe the exotic vacuum hedghog defect is also rotating?
On Oct 19, 2004, at 5:54 PM, Jack Sarfatti wrote:
OK so what does
To produce our anomalous acceleration
even only out to 50 AU would require the total dark
matter to be greater than 3 × 10^−4M⊙. But this is in
conflict with the accuracy of the ephemeris, which allows
only of order a few times 10^−6M⊙ of dark matter even
within the orbit of Uranus [8]".
really mean? How far out does this "ephemeris" constraint really extend?
I think it means that if there was enough dark matter distributed as 1/r to explain the PA then planetary motions would not be predictable using the standard post-Newtonian model. But that model explains planetary motions (i.e. produces the ephemerides) with great accuracy.
Yes, but how far out in space does that go? It is obvious that this shoots down the idea of solid sphere of exotic vacuum centered at the Sun inside the solar system. Tony Smith suggested a hollowed out sphere of /\zpf = (LpR(t)r)^-1 starting out beyond the solar system. BTW this would be like the topological defect called a "hedgehog" for gradient lines of the scalar exotic vacuum potential /\zpf. So the issue is whether Tony's multiply-connected extension of my original simply connected halo without a hole in the middle is consistent with the ephemeris constraint or not? Perhaps you can talk to some experts at NASA about this?
LaViolette's model is too eccentric to even mention in our paper. If Carlos wants us to mention his paper, OK but we will say that all models of min acceleration from graininess of space-time stretched out to ~ c^2/(Hubble Scale) are falsified by this ephemeris constraint. We can leave his name out of it altogether if he wishes and just make a generic statement.
The authors of gr-qc/0104064 are admirably thorough.
Yeah, I will study it this weekend. I am having another serious tooth pain (different tooth) and getting gum surgery Fri AM meantime I am on huge doses of pain killers. Meantime see if you can find out if this ephemeris stuff shoots down even Tony's hedgehog.
Some relevant quotes and references regarding the "ephemeris constraint" are:
"...The analyses
are modeled to include the effects of planetary perturbations,
radiation pressure, the interplanetary media,
general relativity, and bias and drift in the Doppler and
range (if available). Planetary coordinates and solar system
masses are obtained using JPL’s Export Planetary
Ephemeris DE405, where DE stands for the Development
Ephemeris. [Earlier in the study, DE200 was used. See
Section VA.]
"We include models of precession, nutation, sidereal rotation,
polar motion, tidal effects, and tectonic plates
drift. Model values of the tidal deceleration, nonuniformity
of rotation, polar motion, Love numbers, and Chandler
wobble are obtained observationally, by means of
Lunar and Satellite Laser Ranging (LLR and SLR) techniques
and VLBI. Previously they were combined into
a common publication by either the International Earth
Rotation Service (IERS) or by the United States Naval
Observatory (USNO). Currently this information is provided
by the ICRF. JPL’s Earth Orientation Parameters
(EOP) is a major source contributor to the ICRF.
references:
[49] E. M. Standish, Jr., X X Newhall, J. G. Williams, and D. K. Yeomans, “Orbital ephemeris of the Sun, Moon, and Planets,” in: Ref. [55], p. 279. Also see E. M. Standish, Jr. and R. W. Hellings, Icarus 80, 326 (1989).
[50] E. M. Standish, Jr., X X Newhall, J. G. Williams, and W. M. Folkner, JPL Planetary and Lunar Ephemeris, DE403/LE403, Jet Propulsion Laboratory Internal IOM No. 314.10-127 (1995).
[55] P. K. Seidelmann, ed., Explanatory Supplement to the Astronomical Almanac (University Science Books, Mill Valley, CA, 1992).
[68] P. A. Laing, “Implementation of J2000.0 reference frame in CHASMP,” The Aerospace Corporation’s Internal Memorandum # 91(6703)-1. January 28, 1991.
[70] E. M. Standish, Astron. Astrophys. 114, 297 (1982)
[125] We thank E. Myles Standish of JPL, who encouraged us to address in greater detail the nature of the annual/ diurnal terms seen in the Pioneer Doppler residuals. (This work is currently under way.) He also kindly provided us with the accuracies from his internal JPL solar system ephemeris, which is continually under development.
Yeah, so actually this is hopeful. What we need to find out from the NASA experts is: can we imagine a hollow sphere of exotic vacuum of effective "mass" ~ 10^-3 M(Sun) say between 20AU and 50AU from the Sun. Will that conflict with the ephemeris constraint or not? If not, we are systems go! If it does conflict, then the Pioneer anomaly is still a mystery - not an exotic vacuum effect.
On the surface of it, it looks like my original model is shot down - even Tony's hollow sphere variation. Carlos's idea also seems obviously shot down?
So where do we go from here? Is there any fundamental difference between dark energy and dark matter w.r.t. these counter-arguments from gr-qc/0104064 ?
No, that makes no difference here. If the hollow sphere works it will be a dark energy hedgehog defect halo of negative zero point pressure because we need a positive exotic vacuum potential energy per unit test mass of
Vzpf =c^2r/LpR(t)
So the acceleration induced by the local exotic vacuum dark energy scalar field is -GradVzpf = -c^2/LpR(t) ~ 10^-7 cm/sec^2
where the DIMENSIONLESS FRW scale factor at present epoch where T ~ 2.7 degK is R(t) = 10^61, with Lp = 10^-33 cm.
The total effective mass of this exotic vacuum halo with a hole big enough to fit the entire solar system is ~ 10^-3M(Sun).
BTW Carlos' willingness to make R bigger than 10^28 cm in his c^2/R formula would mean it could not explain Pioneer anomaly at all in that case. Time to leave a sinking ship! :-)
"We conclude that the Viking ranging data limit any
unmodeled radial acceleration acting on Earth and Mars
to no more than 0.1 × 10−8 cm/s2. Consequently, if the
anomalous radial acceleration acting on spinning spacecraft
is gravitational in origin, it is not universal. That
is, it must affect bodies in the 1000 kg range more than
bodies of planetary size by a factor of 100 or more. This
would be a strange violation of the Principle of Equivalence..."
This is OK so far for Tony's idea.
What's this about "spinning spacecraft"? Huh?
Are the Pioneers rotating about their centers of mass?
Yes, they are spin-stabilized. Relevant quotes from the paper:
"... At launch they were spinning
at approximately 4.28 and 7.8 revolutions per minute
(rpm), respectively, with the spin axes running through
the centers of the dish antennae [HGA]. Their spin-stabilizations
and great distances from the Earth imply a minimum
number of Earth-attitude reorientationmaneuvers are required.
This permits precise acceleration estimations, to
the level of 10−8 cm/s2 (single measurement accuracy averaged
over 5 days). Contrariwise, a Voyager-type three-axis
stabilized spacecraft is not well suited for a precise
celestial mechanics experiment as its numerous attitudecontrol
maneuvers can overwhelm the signal of a small
external acceleration.
Oh, well this makes the situation more complex than I thought. I was basically thinking of a point test particle. So it's not so simple. We will need more than the Newtonian limit I was using. It could be a STRONG gravimagnetic exotic vacuum effect from the full tensor /\zpfguv. In my above model I simply used /\zpfgoo! Are they seeing sinusoidal variations in the Doppler shifts in the raw data like in pulsar measurements and then deducing the anomaly from that? How big is the solar system in AU? I mean from beyond Uranus. I am assuming that there is no Pioneer anomaly until it passed the Uranus orbit - correct? OK Google says that's 20 AU. OK, so are we OK with the ephemeris constraint if we have ordinary vacuum /\zpf = 0 out from Sun to 20AU and then we start with
/\zpf ~ (LpR(t)r)^-1
"The spacecraft is attitude-stabilized by spinning about
an axis which is parallel to the axis of the HGA. The
nominal spin rate for Pioneer 10 is 4.8 rpm. Pioneer 11
spins at approximately 7.8 rpm because a spin-controlling
thruster malfunctioned during the spin-down shortly after
launch. [Because of the danger that the thruster’s
valve would not be able to close again, this particular
thruster has not been used since.]...
"There were no anomalies in the engineering telemetry
from the propulsion system, for either spacecraft, during
any mission phase from launch to termination of the
Pioneer mission in March 1997. From the viewpoint of
mission operations at the NASA/Ames control center,
the propulsion system performed as expected, with no
catastrophic or long-term pressure drops in the propulsion
tank. Except for the above-mentioned Pioneer 11
spin-thruster incident, there was no malfunction of the
propulsion nozzles, which were only opened every few
months by ground command. The fact that pressure was
maintained in the tank has been used to infer that no
impacts by Kuiper belt objects occurred, and a limit has
been placed on the size and density distribution of such
objects [7], another useful scientific result."
I thought this was an anomalous tug ~ 10^-7 cm/sec^2 back to Sun on their centers of mass?
Well, have a look at the paper and see if you can figure it out. I can't tell if the anomalous acceleration is measured A) along the spacecraft spin axis B) radially from the sun or C) towards the earth.
Now here's a weird idea: Back in ISSO days I was fascinated by the reports of several experimenters who measured anomalous weight differences between spinning and non-spinning objects, There was even a publication in phys. rev. B with a positive result, and John Brandenburg's group at RSI also got positive results in two separate implementations of the experiment - one funded (if I recall correctly) by ISSO. There was a Japanese group that did drop-tower tests and published positive results. There were also the results of Bruce DePalma ("effect of gravity on spinning objects" - much more straightforward and believable than his free energy machine "results", FWIW)
Yes, this would be some kind of exotic vacuum gravimagnetic effect from the motional gravimagnetic components in the full /\zpfguv tensor term in Einstein's GR field equation. We don't want any eccentric Hal Puthoff PV model or LaViolette Galilean ether in our paper - only battle-tested Einstein mainstream. No need to look for new paradigms. It ain't broke.
We tried to replicate some of this at ISSO. Had to quit. Ran out of money. Too bad. So simple. So important. It's another example of an experiment that "everyone knows" must produce a null result, so nobody bothers to actually check it.
So could that be what we are seeing? A slight difference between the effect of gravity on a spinning object versus its effect on a non-spinning "point mass" ?
I am sure that's where gravimagnetism from the exotic vacuum field comes in. Simply the "Lorentz force" terms in /\zpfguv. Maybe the exotic vacuum hedghog defect is also rotating?
Tuesday, October 19, 2004
From: sarfatti@pacbell.net
Subject: Re: UPPER LENGTH shot down?
Date: October 19, 2004 7:47:45 PM PDT
To: czarlosromanov@yahoo.com, gravitics1@aol.com, bur@ibrae.ac.ru
Cc: creon@isso.org, Laurent.Nottale@obsmp.fr, f130smith@mindspring.com, sarfatti@attglobal.net, sirag@mindspring.com, bdj10@cam.ac.uk, and 2 more...
Memorandum for the Record
It is pretty obvious that what Creon Levit, a Top Gun at NASA AMES, found today shoots down your idea and Notalle's idea of a lower and upper scale definitively. See Creon's message below. The experimentalists clearly say they can measure at least down to 10^-9 cm/sec^2 which is 10^-2 of your alleged irreducible minimum. I just sent you a pdf on that.
My idea of a dark energy halo surrounding the Sun with
/\zpf = c^2/LpR(t)r
where R(t) is a pure number (dimensionless) FRW scale-factor also seems to be shot down, but for a different reason unless Tony Smith can save it with his hollow halo idea?
No, there is absolutely no evidence at all for either an upper or a lower scale in Nature. All tests so far seem to go in the wrong direction in this regard. If anyone has evidence to the contrary please tell us. Of course, my macro-quantum theory for the emergence of Einstein's curved spacetime from an instability in the flat micro-quantum Dirac Sea to the non-perturbative background independent curved macro-quantum Higgs Ocean shows WHY there should not be ANY quantum gravity foamy grainy structure to space-time. So far the experiments are consistent with that idea.
On Oct 19, 2004, at 7:22 PM, Carlos Castro wrote:
Dear Jack and friends :
If Laurent Nottale and Max Born are correct, in
postulating a lower and upper scale in Nature, and a
maximal proper force, if we take R to be the
asymptotic upper length in Nature, then the minimal
acceleration should be
of the order of c^2 / R .
The question is wether or not the asymptotic value of
upper scale agrees or not with Laurent Nottale's
postulate, R = of the order of the Hubble scale
today.
I am open to possibility that the upper asymptotic
scale could be larger than 10^{ 28 } cm and in this
case the minimal acceleration is pushed to a lower
value.
But that is no good. It is ugly and adhoc without any great idea like adding epicycles. You have been doing too much string theory Carlos! :-)
Laurent Nottale is the expert astrophysicist and he
can better defend his judicious choice for value for
the asymptotic scale R in Nature ( of the order of
Hubble scale today ) that is related to the
resolution of the cosmological constant problem.
You do not solve the cosmological constant problem with anything you have said.
The problem is WHY is /\ ~ 1/R^2 where R ~ 10^28 cm instead of the QED prediction /\ ~ 1/Lp^2 where Lp ~ 10^-33 cm. This is an error of 122 powers of ten! I do have the explanation - I think. No one else has anything better, that much is sure.
I am not including the issue of the cosmological
variations of the fundamental constants. This is
another book to explore.
Best wishes
Carlos
On Oct 19, 2004, at 4:22 PM, Creon Levit wrote:
Jack,
Please scan what I believe is the definitive paper:
"Study of the anomalous acceleration of Pioneer 10 and 11" ( http://arxiv.org/pdf/gr-qc/0104064 )
In particular I think you should read the (relatively short) section XI, and especially subsections XI-B and C (pages 43-46). In particular, section XI-B makes the the following two points, either one of which may shoot down the 1/r dark energy theory, and both of which we will need to address if dark energy really is the explanation, IMHO. (And yes, I know dark energy ≠ dark matter)
Point 1:
"If the cause is dark matter, it is hard to understand. A
spherically-symmetric distribution of matter which goes
as
ρ ∼ r^−1 produces a constant acceleration inside the
distribution. To produce our anomalous acceleration
even only out to 50 AU would require the total dark
matter to be greater than 3 × 10^−4M⊙. But this is in
conflict with the accuracy of the ephemeris, which allows
only of order a few times 10^−6M⊙ of dark matter even
within the orbit of Uranus [8]"...
Point 2:
"... any universal gravitational explanation for
the Pioneer effect comes up against a hard experimental
wall. The anomalous acceleration is too large to
have gone undetected in planetary orbits, particularly
for Earth and Mars. NASA’s Viking mission provided
radio-ranging measurements to an accuracy of about 12
m [137, 138]. If a planet experiences a small, anomalous,
radial acceleration, a_A, its orbital radius r is perturbed
by
r = ... [eqn] (58)...
"For Earth and Mars, delta-r is about −21 km and −76
km. However, the Viking data determines the difference
between the Mars and Earth orbital radii to about a 100m
accuracy, and their sum to an accuracy of about 150m.
The Pioneer effect is not seen.
"Further, a perturbation in r produces a perturbation
to the orbital angular velocity of
ω = .... [eqn] (59)
The determination of the synodic angular velocity (ωE − ωM)
is accurate to 7 parts in 1011, or to about 5 ms accuracy
in synodic period. The only parameter that could
possibly mask the spacecraft-determined a_R is (GM⊙).
But a large error here would cause inconsistencies with
the overall planetary ephemeris [8, 49]. [Also, there
would be a problem with the advance of the perihelion
of Icarus [139].]
"We conclude that the Viking ranging data limit any
unmodeled radial acceleration acting on Earth and Mars
to no more than 0.1 × 10−8 cm/s2. Consequently, if the
anomalous radial acceleration acting on spinning spacecraft
is gravitational in origin, it is not universal. That
is, it must affect bodies in the 1000 kg range more than
bodies of planetary size by a factor of 100 or more. This
would be a strange violation of the Principle of Equivalence..."
Meantime look at the last pdf.
I have been reading http://arxiv.org/pdf/gr-qc/0104064 - take a glance. It is a comprehensive summary of the experimental evidence so far. It contains statistics, software, and celestial mechanics - about which I know just enough to get us into trouble.
Be good for you to do some fancy computer stuff if possible - for the longer paper.
Subject: Re: UPPER LENGTH shot down?
Date: October 19, 2004 7:47:45 PM PDT
To: czarlosromanov@yahoo.com, gravitics1@aol.com, bur@ibrae.ac.ru
Cc: creon@isso.org, Laurent.Nottale@obsmp.fr, f130smith@mindspring.com, sarfatti@attglobal.net, sirag@mindspring.com, bdj10@cam.ac.uk, and 2 more...
Memorandum for the Record
It is pretty obvious that what Creon Levit, a Top Gun at NASA AMES, found today shoots down your idea and Notalle's idea of a lower and upper scale definitively. See Creon's message below. The experimentalists clearly say they can measure at least down to 10^-9 cm/sec^2 which is 10^-2 of your alleged irreducible minimum. I just sent you a pdf on that.
My idea of a dark energy halo surrounding the Sun with
/\zpf = c^2/LpR(t)r
where R(t) is a pure number (dimensionless) FRW scale-factor also seems to be shot down, but for a different reason unless Tony Smith can save it with his hollow halo idea?
No, there is absolutely no evidence at all for either an upper or a lower scale in Nature. All tests so far seem to go in the wrong direction in this regard. If anyone has evidence to the contrary please tell us. Of course, my macro-quantum theory for the emergence of Einstein's curved spacetime from an instability in the flat micro-quantum Dirac Sea to the non-perturbative background independent curved macro-quantum Higgs Ocean shows WHY there should not be ANY quantum gravity foamy grainy structure to space-time. So far the experiments are consistent with that idea.
On Oct 19, 2004, at 7:22 PM, Carlos Castro wrote:
Dear Jack and friends :
If Laurent Nottale and Max Born are correct, in
postulating a lower and upper scale in Nature, and a
maximal proper force, if we take R to be the
asymptotic upper length in Nature, then the minimal
acceleration should be
of the order of c^2 / R .
The question is wether or not the asymptotic value of
upper scale agrees or not with Laurent Nottale's
postulate, R = of the order of the Hubble scale
today.
I am open to possibility that the upper asymptotic
scale could be larger than 10^{ 28 } cm and in this
case the minimal acceleration is pushed to a lower
value.
But that is no good. It is ugly and adhoc without any great idea like adding epicycles. You have been doing too much string theory Carlos! :-)
Laurent Nottale is the expert astrophysicist and he
can better defend his judicious choice for value for
the asymptotic scale R in Nature ( of the order of
Hubble scale today ) that is related to the
resolution of the cosmological constant problem.
You do not solve the cosmological constant problem with anything you have said.
The problem is WHY is /\ ~ 1/R^2 where R ~ 10^28 cm instead of the QED prediction /\ ~ 1/Lp^2 where Lp ~ 10^-33 cm. This is an error of 122 powers of ten! I do have the explanation - I think. No one else has anything better, that much is sure.
I am not including the issue of the cosmological
variations of the fundamental constants. This is
another book to explore.
Best wishes
Carlos
On Oct 19, 2004, at 4:22 PM, Creon Levit wrote:
Jack,
Please scan what I believe is the definitive paper:
"Study of the anomalous acceleration of Pioneer 10 and 11" ( http://arxiv.org/pdf/gr-qc/0104064 )
In particular I think you should read the (relatively short) section XI, and especially subsections XI-B and C (pages 43-46). In particular, section XI-B makes the the following two points, either one of which may shoot down the 1/r dark energy theory, and both of which we will need to address if dark energy really is the explanation, IMHO. (And yes, I know dark energy ≠ dark matter)
Point 1:
"If the cause is dark matter, it is hard to understand. A
spherically-symmetric distribution of matter which goes
as
ρ ∼ r^−1 produces a constant acceleration inside the
distribution. To produce our anomalous acceleration
even only out to 50 AU would require the total dark
matter to be greater than 3 × 10^−4M⊙. But this is in
conflict with the accuracy of the ephemeris, which allows
only of order a few times 10^−6M⊙ of dark matter even
within the orbit of Uranus [8]"...
Point 2:
"... any universal gravitational explanation for
the Pioneer effect comes up against a hard experimental
wall. The anomalous acceleration is too large to
have gone undetected in planetary orbits, particularly
for Earth and Mars. NASA’s Viking mission provided
radio-ranging measurements to an accuracy of about 12
m [137, 138]. If a planet experiences a small, anomalous,
radial acceleration, a_A, its orbital radius r is perturbed
by
r = ... [eqn] (58)...
"For Earth and Mars, delta-r is about −21 km and −76
km. However, the Viking data determines the difference
between the Mars and Earth orbital radii to about a 100m
accuracy, and their sum to an accuracy of about 150m.
The Pioneer effect is not seen.
"Further, a perturbation in r produces a perturbation
to the orbital angular velocity of
ω = .... [eqn] (59)
The determination of the synodic angular velocity (ωE − ωM)
is accurate to 7 parts in 1011, or to about 5 ms accuracy
in synodic period. The only parameter that could
possibly mask the spacecraft-determined a_R is (GM⊙).
But a large error here would cause inconsistencies with
the overall planetary ephemeris [8, 49]. [Also, there
would be a problem with the advance of the perihelion
of Icarus [139].]
"We conclude that the Viking ranging data limit any
unmodeled radial acceleration acting on Earth and Mars
to no more than 0.1 × 10−8 cm/s2. Consequently, if the
anomalous radial acceleration acting on spinning spacecraft
is gravitational in origin, it is not universal. That
is, it must affect bodies in the 1000 kg range more than
bodies of planetary size by a factor of 100 or more. This
would be a strange violation of the Principle of Equivalence..."
Meantime look at the last pdf.
I have been reading http://arxiv.org/pdf/gr-qc/0104064 - take a glance. It is a comprehensive summary of the experimental evidence so far. It contains statistics, software, and celestial mechanics - about which I know just enough to get us into trouble.
Be good for you to do some fancy computer stuff if possible - for the longer paper.
Monday, October 18, 2004
This article reflects what I heard from Cliff Will, Matt Visser and Bill Unruh at GR 17.
"Anti-Gravity shield rises again, and the zero-point fringe - News and Comment
Skeptical Inquirer, Nov-Dec, 2002 by Robert L. Park
The following items are from Robert L. Park's weekly electronic newsletter "What's New" (American Physical Society, Washington, D.C., and University of Maryland).
August 2, 2002:
Anti-Gravity: A Gravity Shield Would Be Very Nice, But. ... Never has an idea with no prospect for success so captivated corporate research managers who either never studied or never understood the most basic laws of physics. Both Boeing in the U.S. and BAE Systems, the British aerospace giant, are trying to make the Podkletnov gravity shield work. BAE has already been at it for two years (WN 31 Mar 00), with no success. When NASA couldn't make the Podkletnov shield work, they invested another million dollars (WN 22 Jan 99). When it still didn't work, they decided the tests were "inconclusive" and sank another million into it (WN 12 Oct 01). I have identified seven warning signs of bad science at http://www.bobpark.com. The Podkletnov gravity shield fits all seven. So why would Boeing choose to spend millions to test a ridiculous claim by an obscure Russian physicist that has failed every test and is a physical impossibility to begin with? Okay, so the Pentagon is paying for it. But there's also this goofy book by Nick Cook, who writes for Jane's Defense Weekly."
Podkletnov's and Ning Li's claims may well be wrong. Park may be right. I do not know. My own theory based on controlling dark energy does not depend on their work.
""Book Review: The Hunt for Zero Point by Nick Cook. If this book is about controlling gravity, what's with the "zero point"? The confusion is natural; both lie within the province of fringe scientists who haven't a clue of where the real world stops and the fantasy world of Atlantis and UFOs begins."
Park is either really covering up or he is really ignorant of the relevant physics here. I don't care how big a shot he is at APS. Physics is a big field and no one person is competent in all parts of physics. Park does not appear to understand the cosmological constant problem that zero point energy directly gravitates or anti-gravitates depending on several factors. He also does not point out that dark energy anti-gravitates and is ~ 73% of all the stuff in the universe with w = -1 with small error, hence it is zero point energy. The problem is why is it so small. I have solved this problem I think. On the other hand when Park writes that there are a lot of "fringe scientists who haven't a clue of where the real world stops and the fantasy world of Atlantis and UFOs begins" he is correct. I know a lot of them. Park thinks I am one of them. Park's intelligence is sloppy and inaccurate on that. He has not done his homework and depends only on distorted rumors as was shown when he met my brother at UMD a few years ago. Park is using a half truth to discredit all work on UFOs as part of the old coverup now falling apart from within the ranks of the USG Intelligence Community. It is true that Himmler's Occult Nazis in the SS Ahnenerbe promoted the "Atlantis" myth as part of their pseudo-science of Aryan racial superiority and that their ancestor the Thule Society promoted the "VRIL" that is now "zero point energy" in some fringe quarters. It is also true that Podkletnov's father, in the Soviet Army in 1945, got the plans of the Nazi Bell Machine that is the Daddy of Podkletnov's current device according to Nick Cook's book.
"Cook is not a scientist of any sort; in his world, these guys are the insiders. Don't look for them in the pages of Phys Rev; they're not a bunch of pointy-headed academics. They are part of the black world of really important top secret stuff like--well, electrogravitics. So who exactly fed Nick Cook this enormous pile of horse manure? If you're a regular reader of WN, you've already met them all."
Park is essentially correct on this one. I told Nick this in my two recent meetings with him in London. However, the truth here is "Grey" not quite as white as Park paints it and not quite as black as say Nick paints it. ;-)
Fringe: Where Everything Is Secret, and Nothing Is Impossible. When Cook set out on his search for "the biggest secret since the atom bomb," he went straight to the Integrity Research Institute (IRI), in Washington, D.C., where you can buy books and videos with titles like "Holistic Physics and Consciousness" (WN 5 Mar 99). IRI is really Tom Valone, a former patent examiner who lost his job in the fallout from the Conference on Free Energy (WN 21 May 99). He had recruited Paul LaViolette,"
Hmm! That name rings a bell. I think I just heard it in another context. I need to check that ... Aha here it is just received a few minutes ago. Synchronicity strikes again. I will conceal the identity of the author who is actually a well credentialled physicist:
"You may contact Paul LaViolette at :
and he wil be able to send you his original work based on his 1985 *prediction* of the Pioneer anomaly, work that was published in refereed journals. Paul's approach is very different. It is based on his work on sub-quantum kinetics."
"who claims the B-2 uses anti-gravity, reverse engineered from a crashed flying saucer. He was also fired (WN 18 Aug 00). They sent Cook to the Institute for Advanced Study. Not the one at Princeton; the one at Austin, Texas. It consists of Harold Puthoff, who wants to extract energy from the zero point of the vacuum. He used to run the CIA's "remote viewing" program, which was inspired by Mind Reach, a book he wrote with Russell Targ (WN 11 Mar 94). Finally, Cook sought advice from Charles Platt, founder of CryoCare, a company that keeps human heads bobbing in liquid nitrogen until scientists can figure out how to restart them (WN 21 Jul 00).
August 9:
Anti-Gravity: Was This the Lightweight Story of the Year? The Eastside Journal in Bellevue, Washington, quotes a Boeing spokesman as saying the company is not funding any anti-gravity research (WN 2 Aug 02), nor is it attempting to duplicate Podkletnov's results. Ha! Nick Cook warned us they would say that. He would say it's just disinformation, part of the massive government coverup.
August 16:
Cook Book: Fresh Air Offers a Recipe for Stale Baloney. Two weeks ago, WN dumped as much cold water as one page can hold on the anti-gravity nonsense stirred up by Nick Cook's goofy book, The Hunt for Zero Point. We braced for sensational stories in the National Enquirer and on Art Bell, but where does Cook turn up? Gasp, on National Public Radio's Fresh Air. "I am not a scientist," Nick Cook admits in a brilliant understatement, "but I enlisted some help." So who did he enlist? "There are scientists working right on the cutting edge. ... Dr. Hal Puthoff is pioneering this whole zero-point energy field. ..." Well, there's a name we know. One of the first scientists to vouch for spoon-bender Uri Geller, Puthoff headed the CIA's remote-viewing program, and is said to have sent his own mind to explore the surface of the planet Mercury (WN 11 Mar 94). Guest host Barbara Bogaev, who also is not a scientist, asks how anti-gravity machines work? They all spin, Nick Cook explains. "Some theories say if you spin this zero-point energy field that exists all around us, some weird and magical things start popping out, one of which is an anti-gravitational effect." There you have it--an authoritative explanation on NPR."
Park is right about this one. I told Nick Cook the same thing.
Robert L. Park is director of the Washington office of the American Physical Society, a physics professor at the University of Maryland, and author of Voodoo Science.
COPYRIGHT 2002 Committee for the Scientific Investigation of Claims of the Paranormal
COPYRIGHT 2003 Gale Group
"Anti-Gravity shield rises again, and the zero-point fringe - News and Comment
Skeptical Inquirer, Nov-Dec, 2002 by Robert L. Park
The following items are from Robert L. Park's weekly electronic newsletter "What's New" (American Physical Society, Washington, D.C., and University of Maryland).
August 2, 2002:
Anti-Gravity: A Gravity Shield Would Be Very Nice, But. ... Never has an idea with no prospect for success so captivated corporate research managers who either never studied or never understood the most basic laws of physics. Both Boeing in the U.S. and BAE Systems, the British aerospace giant, are trying to make the Podkletnov gravity shield work. BAE has already been at it for two years (WN 31 Mar 00), with no success. When NASA couldn't make the Podkletnov shield work, they invested another million dollars (WN 22 Jan 99). When it still didn't work, they decided the tests were "inconclusive" and sank another million into it (WN 12 Oct 01). I have identified seven warning signs of bad science at http://www.bobpark.com. The Podkletnov gravity shield fits all seven. So why would Boeing choose to spend millions to test a ridiculous claim by an obscure Russian physicist that has failed every test and is a physical impossibility to begin with? Okay, so the Pentagon is paying for it. But there's also this goofy book by Nick Cook, who writes for Jane's Defense Weekly."
Podkletnov's and Ning Li's claims may well be wrong. Park may be right. I do not know. My own theory based on controlling dark energy does not depend on their work.
""Book Review: The Hunt for Zero Point by Nick Cook. If this book is about controlling gravity, what's with the "zero point"? The confusion is natural; both lie within the province of fringe scientists who haven't a clue of where the real world stops and the fantasy world of Atlantis and UFOs begins."
Park is either really covering up or he is really ignorant of the relevant physics here. I don't care how big a shot he is at APS. Physics is a big field and no one person is competent in all parts of physics. Park does not appear to understand the cosmological constant problem that zero point energy directly gravitates or anti-gravitates depending on several factors. He also does not point out that dark energy anti-gravitates and is ~ 73% of all the stuff in the universe with w = -1 with small error, hence it is zero point energy. The problem is why is it so small. I have solved this problem I think. On the other hand when Park writes that there are a lot of "fringe scientists who haven't a clue of where the real world stops and the fantasy world of Atlantis and UFOs begins" he is correct. I know a lot of them. Park thinks I am one of them. Park's intelligence is sloppy and inaccurate on that. He has not done his homework and depends only on distorted rumors as was shown when he met my brother at UMD a few years ago. Park is using a half truth to discredit all work on UFOs as part of the old coverup now falling apart from within the ranks of the USG Intelligence Community. It is true that Himmler's Occult Nazis in the SS Ahnenerbe promoted the "Atlantis" myth as part of their pseudo-science of Aryan racial superiority and that their ancestor the Thule Society promoted the "VRIL" that is now "zero point energy" in some fringe quarters. It is also true that Podkletnov's father, in the Soviet Army in 1945, got the plans of the Nazi Bell Machine that is the Daddy of Podkletnov's current device according to Nick Cook's book.
"Cook is not a scientist of any sort; in his world, these guys are the insiders. Don't look for them in the pages of Phys Rev; they're not a bunch of pointy-headed academics. They are part of the black world of really important top secret stuff like--well, electrogravitics. So who exactly fed Nick Cook this enormous pile of horse manure? If you're a regular reader of WN, you've already met them all."
Park is essentially correct on this one. I told Nick this in my two recent meetings with him in London. However, the truth here is "Grey" not quite as white as Park paints it and not quite as black as say Nick paints it. ;-)
Fringe: Where Everything Is Secret, and Nothing Is Impossible. When Cook set out on his search for "the biggest secret since the atom bomb," he went straight to the Integrity Research Institute (IRI), in Washington, D.C., where you can buy books and videos with titles like "Holistic Physics and Consciousness" (WN 5 Mar 99). IRI is really Tom Valone, a former patent examiner who lost his job in the fallout from the Conference on Free Energy (WN 21 May 99). He had recruited Paul LaViolette,"
Hmm! That name rings a bell. I think I just heard it in another context. I need to check that ... Aha here it is just received a few minutes ago. Synchronicity strikes again. I will conceal the identity of the author who is actually a well credentialled physicist:
"You may contact Paul LaViolette at :
and he wil be able to send you his original work based on his 1985 *prediction* of the Pioneer anomaly, work that was published in refereed journals. Paul's approach is very different. It is based on his work on sub-quantum kinetics."
"who claims the B-2 uses anti-gravity, reverse engineered from a crashed flying saucer. He was also fired (WN 18 Aug 00). They sent Cook to the Institute for Advanced Study. Not the one at Princeton; the one at Austin, Texas. It consists of Harold Puthoff, who wants to extract energy from the zero point of the vacuum. He used to run the CIA's "remote viewing" program, which was inspired by Mind Reach, a book he wrote with Russell Targ (WN 11 Mar 94). Finally, Cook sought advice from Charles Platt, founder of CryoCare, a company that keeps human heads bobbing in liquid nitrogen until scientists can figure out how to restart them (WN 21 Jul 00).
August 9:
Anti-Gravity: Was This the Lightweight Story of the Year? The Eastside Journal in Bellevue, Washington, quotes a Boeing spokesman as saying the company is not funding any anti-gravity research (WN 2 Aug 02), nor is it attempting to duplicate Podkletnov's results. Ha! Nick Cook warned us they would say that. He would say it's just disinformation, part of the massive government coverup.
August 16:
Cook Book: Fresh Air Offers a Recipe for Stale Baloney. Two weeks ago, WN dumped as much cold water as one page can hold on the anti-gravity nonsense stirred up by Nick Cook's goofy book, The Hunt for Zero Point. We braced for sensational stories in the National Enquirer and on Art Bell, but where does Cook turn up? Gasp, on National Public Radio's Fresh Air. "I am not a scientist," Nick Cook admits in a brilliant understatement, "but I enlisted some help." So who did he enlist? "There are scientists working right on the cutting edge. ... Dr. Hal Puthoff is pioneering this whole zero-point energy field. ..." Well, there's a name we know. One of the first scientists to vouch for spoon-bender Uri Geller, Puthoff headed the CIA's remote-viewing program, and is said to have sent his own mind to explore the surface of the planet Mercury (WN 11 Mar 94). Guest host Barbara Bogaev, who also is not a scientist, asks how anti-gravity machines work? They all spin, Nick Cook explains. "Some theories say if you spin this zero-point energy field that exists all around us, some weird and magical things start popping out, one of which is an anti-gravitational effect." There you have it--an authoritative explanation on NPR."
Park is right about this one. I told Nick Cook the same thing.
Robert L. Park is director of the Washington office of the American Physical Society, a physics professor at the University of Maryland, and author of Voodoo Science.
COPYRIGHT 2002 Committee for the Scientific Investigation of Claims of the Paranormal
COPYRIGHT 2003 Gale Group
Sunday, October 17, 2004
Deconstructing Jacky
On Oct 17, 2004, at 3:34 AM, Brian Josephson wrote:
--On Saturday, October 16, 2004 6:59 pm -0700 Jack Sarfatti wrote: I actually never understood the fad or fashion of "deconstructionism". I suppose I should Google it when I get the time. I never read any thing about it. Some kind of literary criticism?
“A variety of views, some insightful, some misconceived, some amusing, can be seen at”
http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,,1325283,00.html
=b=
On Oct 17, 2004, at 8:38 AM, Jack Sarfatti wrote:
This is an amusing coincidence since I meant myself and did not realize the connection to this other Jacques Derrida. Well, looking at this article, it is obvious that most of modern theoretical physics is "deconstructionist." Post-modern day theoretical physicists, like modern major generals, are very well acquainted with matters mathematical and understand equations well beyond binomial and quadratical and they've a pretty taste for quantum paradox. Theorists are chic into the latest fashions, faiths and fantasies.
On Oct 17, 2004, at 3:38 AM, Brian Josephson wrote:
“The Derrida reference is”
http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,,1325283,00.html
-b-
* Prof. Brian D. Josephson :
* Mind-Matter * Cavendish Lab., Madingley Rd, Cambridge CB3 0HE, U.K Unification Project * WWW: http://www.tcm.phy.cam.ac.uk/~bdj10
"Deconstructing Jacques
The controversial philosopher Jacques Derrida died last week. But does anyone actually understand him? Stephen Moss asked a few key thinkers
Tuesday October 12, 2004
The Guardian
Alain de Botton, writer
Derrida defies summary. He investigates the different ways in which attempts to simplify and summarise ideas are, in fact, a betrayal of the true complexity of things. He stands, rather like Wittgenstein or perhaps Freud, as an example of a thinker who made it his business to tell us that things are more complicated than we trust them to be.
…
AC Grayling, philosopher
Derrida says that any text has multiple meanings and the great majority of those meanings won't be apparent even to the author of them. So a deconstruction of the text will show the variety and levels of meanings, some of which will be inconsistent with each other. ..."
Colin McCabe, professor of English at Exeter University
Derrida's philosophy derives from the fact that being manifests itself through difference. His writing largely consists of carefully unpicking all attempts to deny this differentiation. Most importantly, he deconstructed that philosophical tradition which appealed to speech as a source of unmediated being.
Denis MacShane, minister for Europe
The core of Derrida's thinking is that every text contains multiple meanings. To read is neither to know nor to understand, but to begin a process of exploration that is essential to comprehend oneself and society. This is, however, the sort of pretentious bullshit language a minister for Europe can only use when speaking French.
…
Michael Billington, Guardian theatre critic
He's synonymous with certain key words such as structuralism and deconstruction. What strikes me is, when applied to literature, how close this is to what I was brought up to call Practical Criticism of the IA Richards school - the assumption that understanding literature is enhanced by breaking it down into its constituent parts and analysing these with scientific thoroughness.
Roger Scruton, philosopher
He's difficult to summarise because it's nonsense. He argues that the meaning of a sign is never revealed in the sign but deferred indefinitely, and that a sign only means something by virtue of its difference from something else. For Derrida, there is no such thing as meaning - it always eludes us and therefore anything goes.
Julian Baggini, editor of The Philosophers' Magazine
British-trained philosophers like myself don't know much about Derrida, though that doesn't stop some of them dismissing him. I don't dismiss him, but nor do I know enough to be able to sum him up.
…
JG Ballard, novelist
Do I even partly understand him? If I'm honest, not really. For 20 years, I've been floating around Derrida like a space capsule whose landing instructions have got lost, and I have never really made contact. Only professional philosophers and Eng Lit deconstructionists can really explain him.
David Lodge, novelist
According to Derrida, the foundations of traditional philosophy are illusory. We inhabit ‘a world of signs without fault, without truth and without origin’. The very nature of language undermines the claim of any text or utterance to have a determinate meaning, and licenses the reader to produce his/her own interpretation of it by an activity of ‘semantic freeplay’.
…
Sir Christopher Frayling, rector of the Royal College of Art
The essence of Derrida is inter-linear analysis: that is, reading between the lines as well as on them; seeing what lies behind a text as well as what is commonly understood as its meaning.”
This is a form of Techgnostic Qabala. Was Jacques a member of The Priory de Sion mentioned in Dan Brown’s quasi-fictional “Da Vinci Code”?
“Ivan Massow, former chairman of the Institute of Contemporary Arts
Who? I don't know who you are talking about? I'm in a meeting with a group of City luminaries and none of them has heard of him. I can Google him for you if you are having difficulties.
Richard Boston, writer
Deconstructionism is what, when I was at school, we called parsing. At Cambridge 10 years later we called it practical criticism. Then, another 10 years later, I became aware that this familiar pastime had a new name, deconstructionism. It's just taking things apart. I do, though, have to confess that I have not made a close study of Jackie Derrida.”
On Oct 17, 2004, at 11:35 AM, Jack Sarfatti wrote:
I was also alluding to the Woody Allen movie "Deconstructing Harry" http://www.finelinefeatures.com/harry/
Well Deridda was obviously a Techgnostic Qabalist, probably Magister Ludi of the Priory de Sion fictionally described in Dan Brown's "The Da Vinci Code" like Jacques Vallee fictionally describes real UFO data on the NIDS web site by himself and Eric Davis. See also the book "The Star Gate Conspiracy." Reading between the lines? Bien sur from Big Sur!
http://www.nidsci.org/ has just been shut down! That is obviously because the UFO data has gotten too hot with the discovery of dark energy and how I am applying it to the problem,. I hope someone made a copy of it before they shut it down only in the past few days.
On Oct 17, 2004, at 11:15 AM, Brian Josephson wrote:
Ah, so that's it -- I thought it must have been precognition! Incidentally I was one of those who voted 'placet' for D's hon. deg.
=b=
PS I've just finished a draft of "scientists' unethical use of the media for purposes of propaganda" ...
Squeezing The Cosmic Trigger
On Oct 17, 2004, at 11:17 AM, Brian Josephson wrote:
“Even more of a coincidence -- in fact D. started life as "Jacky" but decided later to change to something more French.”
My name "Sarfatti" in Hebrew means "Frenchman" that of course goes back to Troyes 11th Century and The Da Vinci Code Legend of the Crusades, the Knights Templar, The Grail, The Freemasons, The Society of Cincinatus in the American Revolution,The Birth of Communism, up to Leo Strauss and the Trotskyite Neocons allegedly in control of our Iraq policy in Rumsfeld’s Pentagon in Bushworld 43 that is not the alternative universe in Phillip Roth’s “The Plot Against America.” Let’s not forget the Theosophists and the Occult Nazi Thule-
Ahnenerbe’s “Vril” that is the occult word for zero point energy and the Nazi Bell Experiment found in Podkletnov’s present work described by Nick Cook in “The Hunt for Zero Point.” We have come a long way since Pauwels and Bergier’s “The Morning of the Magicians” and Robert Anton Wilson’s “The Illuminatus Trilogy” especially “The Cosmic Trigger.” Vanity Fair recently wrote about this genre of “Fashions, Faiths and Fantasies.”
http://www.channel4.com/history/microsites/H/history/heads/footnotes/nazimyths.html
http://www.shoa.de/ss_ahnenerbe.html
http://qedcorp.com/book/psi/hitweapon.html
Welcome to the Conspiracy
“Since September 11,” writes Rich Cohen, “we’ve been hit by a tsunami of freak out – the Internet, the newsstands, and the bookstores have been filled with counter-narratives that promise to unravel the web that controls everything”.
“Accordingly, Cohen declares that he will explore this new phenomenon. He will “wade in” and “read the books that had begun to accumulate like cistern water on the table marked Alternative History at the bookstore near my apartment, a store, considering the Borgesian nature of my quest, appropriately called Labyrinth … “Galvanised by 9/11”, Cohen writes, “conspiracy theorists have added the War on Terror to a multi-millennial narrative involving aliens, the pyramids, Freemasons, Skull and Bones and, inevitably, the Jews … “In The Godfather Part II”, he continues, “young Vito Corleone comes face-to-face with this force, its mark a small, inky handprint. The other toughs are terrified of the power the mark represents, and so, after each crime, give part of their take in tribute to the Black Hand’s representative, a dapper old man who wanders Elizabeth Street. To me, this film is a great work of art, and so it’s worth considering what transforms Vito Corleone into the Don: it’s his determined conviction that there is no Black Hand, there is no secret brotherhood, there is no authority, there is no Illuminati, there is no conspiracy, there is only this old man, and he has to be taken, as history has to be taken, by whoever has the strength to face the truth and throw back the curtain”.
Which is another way of saying there is no conspiracy. It’s simply a paranoid delusion, tinged with “anti-Semitism”, which belongs in the realm of Hollywood fantasy.”
Wrote Rixon Stewart - May 18, 2004 in
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/print.asp?ID=1831
So, you see there is nothing to worry about. Right? Sleep tight and don’t let the bed bugs bite. BTW, I just found out that the NIDS website http://www.nidsci.org/ has been shut down.
Magister Ludi and The Glass Bead Game of Herman Hesse
Jean Cocteau’s an alleged Magister Ludi of the fabled Priory of Sion that is probably a fiction by Jorge Luis Borges – The Lie that tells The Truth. Such is Art!
On May 27, 2004, at 12:24 PM, Dan Smith (AKA “Chicken Little” of the UFO Aviary http://stardrive.org/cartoon/dan.html wrote:
“Jack,
Concerning our understanding of the future, you and I are both reading the tea leaves. The tea leaves that you read are the formulas of physics. There are many other physicists out there reading similar tea leaves. Unfortunately there is a great deal of disagreement amongst you and your colleagues as to which is the best way to read the formulas, and what it is that those formulas project concerning our future, both technological and otherwise.”
There is actually very little disagreement when it comes to the experiments and the observations. It's how to interpret them that is the problem. Meantime, my interpretation is falsifiable. String theory and M-theory are not yet falsifiable. My theory was recently tested by CDMSII, which had it come up positive would have shown my theory to be wrong. So far, so good. My strong prediction NO dark matter particles ever that can explain .
Next are saucers real or imaginary? If real, I now know how they fly - at least qualitatively.
Another problem, origin of rest mass-inertia of the lepto-quarks ~ 1 Mev. Not to be confused with E(kinetic)/c2 origin of rest mass of hadronic bound states of confined quarks about 103 bigger effect. There is no inertia without gravity. Inertia comes from the vacuum coherence not from the random residual ZPF as Haisch and Puthoff & Co. wrongly conceive.
What about mind-control at a distance and the psychotronic weapons that C. Ivanenko in Russia and that Col. John Alexander in 1980 Military Review’s “The New Mental Battlefield” wrote about, and Puthoff & Targ CIA-DIA-SRI RV work? Real or imaginary? If my theory of mind as post-quantum signal nonlocality is correct, then it is real and then the notion that our leaders are mind-slaves of Alpha Chi Eta may well be more than a joke by Richard Clarke in "Against All Enemies" p. 246
It was as if Osama bin Laden, hidden in some high mountain redoubt, were engaging in long-range mind control of George Bush, chanting “invade Iraq, you must invade Iraq.”
“Now, at the same time, you are also evidencing a great deal of concern that some of the unconventional technology that you are investigating could be used against this country by our enemies.”
Richard Clarke "Against All Enemies", Paul O Neill "The Price of Loyalty" , Bob Woodward "Plan of Attack", Joseph Wilson "The Politics of Truth" all provide ample data don't you think? Also my direct knowledge of Stephen Schwartz, author of “The Two Faces of Islam” deep in the bowls of the Neo Con Cabal in the months leading up to the Iraq invasion.
“You believe that we could be blind-sided by attacks of the 'psychotronic' variety.”
I suspect we have been blind-sided. Also those soldiers in Abu Ghurayb Prison were probably mind-slaves. No wonder Bush could not pronounce it. I could hardly spell it! Indeed Osama bin Laden himself is probably a mind-slave, a Puppet Dancing on some Malevolent ET's Strings creating Death Cults to rid Earth of humans like in Coppola's "First Wave" and many other Sci Fi stories. We have had two UFO Death Cults already plus Jones Town. Then there was Hitler and the Masters of Shamballah, The Vril etc. I wrote about this 25 years ago in
http://qedcorp.com/book/psi/hitweapon.html
Have you listened to that piece from 1979?
“In fact you are going off in many directions simultaneously with your concerns, not wanting, it seems, to leave any stone unturned in the field of unconventional phenomena.”
I see patterns that most do not see. Of course one must be wary for false attractors. However, I do not clutch my errors to my chest like most people do.
“But you see, there is another set of tea leaves that also has to be considered, besides the mathematical and scientific tea leaves. This has to do with simple clairvoyance.”
Not interested - unless confirmed by competent parapsychologists. I am not interested in unscientific claims. I am always interested in great art and literature of course.
“This is what I am attempting to practice. This practice has been around for a long time. Most such psychic phenomena are of ancient provenance, and you do not dispute their validity. When I look into the future, I see that the primary concerns are going to be software, rather than hardware issues. You and science generally represent the scientific and technological concerns, and I am trying to represent in this forum, at least, the software concerns. What Ron, and perhaps some others, seem to be looking for from this particular exchange is how better to balance these two contrasting concerns, particularly with respect to our present and future interaction with anomalous phenomena.”
I am primarily interested in building a fighter spacecraft, like the RAF’s Spitfire in the 1940’s, that can do what we see the flying saucers doing (hair pin turns with zero g-force) and which use very small amounts of energy. I prefer bolts with my nuts.
On Oct 17, 2004, at 3:34 AM, Brian Josephson wrote:
--On Saturday, October 16, 2004 6:59 pm -0700 Jack Sarfatti
“A variety of views, some insightful, some misconceived, some amusing, can be seen at”
http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,,1325283,00.html
=b=
On Oct 17, 2004, at 8:38 AM, Jack Sarfatti wrote:
This is an amusing coincidence since I meant myself and did not realize the connection to this other Jacques Derrida. Well, looking at this article, it is obvious that most of modern theoretical physics is "deconstructionist." Post-modern day theoretical physicists, like modern major generals, are very well acquainted with matters mathematical and understand equations well beyond binomial and quadratical and they've a pretty taste for quantum paradox. Theorists are chic into the latest fashions, faiths and fantasies.
On Oct 17, 2004, at 3:38 AM, Brian Josephson wrote:
“The Derrida reference is”
http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,,1325283,00.html
-b-
* Prof. Brian D. Josephson :
* Mind-Matter * Cavendish Lab., Madingley Rd, Cambridge CB3 0HE, U.K Unification Project * WWW: http://www.tcm.phy.cam.ac.uk/~bdj10
"Deconstructing Jacques
The controversial philosopher Jacques Derrida died last week. But does anyone actually understand him? Stephen Moss asked a few key thinkers
Tuesday October 12, 2004
The Guardian
Alain de Botton, writer
Derrida defies summary. He investigates the different ways in which attempts to simplify and summarise ideas are, in fact, a betrayal of the true complexity of things. He stands, rather like Wittgenstein or perhaps Freud, as an example of a thinker who made it his business to tell us that things are more complicated than we trust them to be.
…
AC Grayling, philosopher
Derrida says that any text has multiple meanings and the great majority of those meanings won't be apparent even to the author of them. So a deconstruction of the text will show the variety and levels of meanings, some of which will be inconsistent with each other. ..."
Colin McCabe, professor of English at Exeter University
Derrida's philosophy derives from the fact that being manifests itself through difference. His writing largely consists of carefully unpicking all attempts to deny this differentiation. Most importantly, he deconstructed that philosophical tradition which appealed to speech as a source of unmediated being.
Denis MacShane, minister for Europe
The core of Derrida's thinking is that every text contains multiple meanings. To read is neither to know nor to understand, but to begin a process of exploration that is essential to comprehend oneself and society. This is, however, the sort of pretentious bullshit language a minister for Europe can only use when speaking French.
…
Michael Billington, Guardian theatre critic
He's synonymous with certain key words such as structuralism and deconstruction. What strikes me is, when applied to literature, how close this is to what I was brought up to call Practical Criticism of the IA Richards school - the assumption that understanding literature is enhanced by breaking it down into its constituent parts and analysing these with scientific thoroughness.
Roger Scruton, philosopher
He's difficult to summarise because it's nonsense. He argues that the meaning of a sign is never revealed in the sign but deferred indefinitely, and that a sign only means something by virtue of its difference from something else. For Derrida, there is no such thing as meaning - it always eludes us and therefore anything goes.
Julian Baggini, editor of The Philosophers' Magazine
British-trained philosophers like myself don't know much about Derrida, though that doesn't stop some of them dismissing him. I don't dismiss him, but nor do I know enough to be able to sum him up.
…
JG Ballard, novelist
Do I even partly understand him? If I'm honest, not really. For 20 years, I've been floating around Derrida like a space capsule whose landing instructions have got lost, and I have never really made contact. Only professional philosophers and Eng Lit deconstructionists can really explain him.
David Lodge, novelist
According to Derrida, the foundations of traditional philosophy are illusory. We inhabit ‘a world of signs without fault, without truth and without origin’. The very nature of language undermines the claim of any text or utterance to have a determinate meaning, and licenses the reader to produce his/her own interpretation of it by an activity of ‘semantic freeplay’.
…
Sir Christopher Frayling, rector of the Royal College of Art
The essence of Derrida is inter-linear analysis: that is, reading between the lines as well as on them; seeing what lies behind a text as well as what is commonly understood as its meaning.”
This is a form of Techgnostic Qabala. Was Jacques a member of The Priory de Sion mentioned in Dan Brown’s quasi-fictional “Da Vinci Code”?
“Ivan Massow, former chairman of the Institute of Contemporary Arts
Who? I don't know who you are talking about? I'm in a meeting with a group of City luminaries and none of them has heard of him. I can Google him for you if you are having difficulties.
Richard Boston, writer
Deconstructionism is what, when I was at school, we called parsing. At Cambridge 10 years later we called it practical criticism. Then, another 10 years later, I became aware that this familiar pastime had a new name, deconstructionism. It's just taking things apart. I do, though, have to confess that I have not made a close study of Jackie Derrida.”
On Oct 17, 2004, at 11:35 AM, Jack Sarfatti wrote:
I was also alluding to the Woody Allen movie "Deconstructing Harry" http://www.finelinefeatures.com/harry/
Well Deridda was obviously a Techgnostic Qabalist, probably Magister Ludi of the Priory de Sion fictionally described in Dan Brown's "The Da Vinci Code" like Jacques Vallee fictionally describes real UFO data on the NIDS web site by himself and Eric Davis. See also the book "The Star Gate Conspiracy." Reading between the lines? Bien sur from Big Sur!
http://www.nidsci.org/ has just been shut down! That is obviously because the UFO data has gotten too hot with the discovery of dark energy and how I am applying it to the problem,. I hope someone made a copy of it before they shut it down only in the past few days.
On Oct 17, 2004, at 11:15 AM, Brian Josephson wrote:
Ah, so that's it -- I thought it must have been precognition! Incidentally I was one of those who voted 'placet' for D's hon. deg.
=b=
PS I've just finished a draft of "scientists' unethical use of the media for purposes of propaganda" ...
Squeezing The Cosmic Trigger
On Oct 17, 2004, at 11:17 AM, Brian Josephson wrote:
“Even more of a coincidence -- in fact D. started life as "Jacky" but decided later to change to something more French.”
My name "Sarfatti" in Hebrew means "Frenchman" that of course goes back to Troyes 11th Century and The Da Vinci Code Legend of the Crusades, the Knights Templar, The Grail, The Freemasons, The Society of Cincinatus in the American Revolution,The Birth of Communism, up to Leo Strauss and the Trotskyite Neocons allegedly in control of our Iraq policy in Rumsfeld’s Pentagon in Bushworld 43 that is not the alternative universe in Phillip Roth’s “The Plot Against America.” Let’s not forget the Theosophists and the Occult Nazi Thule-
Ahnenerbe’s “Vril” that is the occult word for zero point energy and the Nazi Bell Experiment found in Podkletnov’s present work described by Nick Cook in “The Hunt for Zero Point.” We have come a long way since Pauwels and Bergier’s “The Morning of the Magicians” and Robert Anton Wilson’s “The Illuminatus Trilogy” especially “The Cosmic Trigger.” Vanity Fair recently wrote about this genre of “Fashions, Faiths and Fantasies.”
http://www.channel4.com/history/microsites/H/history/heads/footnotes/nazimyths.html
http://www.shoa.de/ss_ahnenerbe.html
http://qedcorp.com/book/psi/hitweapon.html
Welcome to the Conspiracy
“Since September 11,” writes Rich Cohen, “we’ve been hit by a tsunami of freak out – the Internet, the newsstands, and the bookstores have been filled with counter-narratives that promise to unravel the web that controls everything”.
“Accordingly, Cohen declares that he will explore this new phenomenon. He will “wade in” and “read the books that had begun to accumulate like cistern water on the table marked Alternative History at the bookstore near my apartment, a store, considering the Borgesian nature of my quest, appropriately called Labyrinth … “Galvanised by 9/11”, Cohen writes, “conspiracy theorists have added the War on Terror to a multi-millennial narrative involving aliens, the pyramids, Freemasons, Skull and Bones and, inevitably, the Jews … “In The Godfather Part II”, he continues, “young Vito Corleone comes face-to-face with this force, its mark a small, inky handprint. The other toughs are terrified of the power the mark represents, and so, after each crime, give part of their take in tribute to the Black Hand’s representative, a dapper old man who wanders Elizabeth Street. To me, this film is a great work of art, and so it’s worth considering what transforms Vito Corleone into the Don: it’s his determined conviction that there is no Black Hand, there is no secret brotherhood, there is no authority, there is no Illuminati, there is no conspiracy, there is only this old man, and he has to be taken, as history has to be taken, by whoever has the strength to face the truth and throw back the curtain”.
Which is another way of saying there is no conspiracy. It’s simply a paranoid delusion, tinged with “anti-Semitism”, which belongs in the realm of Hollywood fantasy.”
Wrote Rixon Stewart - May 18, 2004 in
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/print.asp?ID=1831
So, you see there is nothing to worry about. Right? Sleep tight and don’t let the bed bugs bite. BTW, I just found out that the NIDS website http://www.nidsci.org/ has been shut down.
Magister Ludi and The Glass Bead Game of Herman Hesse
Jean Cocteau’s an alleged Magister Ludi of the fabled Priory of Sion that is probably a fiction by Jorge Luis Borges – The Lie that tells The Truth. Such is Art!
On May 27, 2004, at 12:24 PM, Dan Smith (AKA “Chicken Little” of the UFO Aviary http://stardrive.org/cartoon/dan.html wrote:
“Jack,
Concerning our understanding of the future, you and I are both reading the tea leaves. The tea leaves that you read are the formulas of physics. There are many other physicists out there reading similar tea leaves. Unfortunately there is a great deal of disagreement amongst you and your colleagues as to which is the best way to read the formulas, and what it is that those formulas project concerning our future, both technological and otherwise.”
There is actually very little disagreement when it comes to the experiments and the observations. It's how to interpret them that is the problem. Meantime, my interpretation is falsifiable. String theory and M-theory are not yet falsifiable. My theory was recently tested by CDMSII, which had it come up positive would have shown my theory to be wrong. So far, so good. My strong prediction NO dark matter particles ever that can explain .
Next are saucers real or imaginary? If real, I now know how they fly - at least qualitatively.
Another problem, origin of rest mass-inertia of the lepto-quarks ~ 1 Mev. Not to be confused with E(kinetic)/c2 origin of rest mass of hadronic bound states of confined quarks about 103 bigger effect. There is no inertia without gravity. Inertia comes from the vacuum coherence not from the random residual ZPF as Haisch and Puthoff & Co. wrongly conceive.
What about mind-control at a distance and the psychotronic weapons that C. Ivanenko in Russia and that Col. John Alexander in 1980 Military Review’s “The New Mental Battlefield” wrote about, and Puthoff & Targ CIA-DIA-SRI RV work? Real or imaginary? If my theory of mind as post-quantum signal nonlocality is correct, then it is real and then the notion that our leaders are mind-slaves of Alpha Chi Eta may well be more than a joke by Richard Clarke in "Against All Enemies" p. 246
It was as if Osama bin Laden, hidden in some high mountain redoubt, were engaging in long-range mind control of George Bush, chanting “invade Iraq, you must invade Iraq.”
“Now, at the same time, you are also evidencing a great deal of concern that some of the unconventional technology that you are investigating could be used against this country by our enemies.”
Richard Clarke "Against All Enemies", Paul O Neill "The Price of Loyalty" , Bob Woodward "Plan of Attack", Joseph Wilson "The Politics of Truth" all provide ample data don't you think? Also my direct knowledge of Stephen Schwartz, author of “The Two Faces of Islam” deep in the bowls of the Neo Con Cabal in the months leading up to the Iraq invasion.
“You believe that we could be blind-sided by attacks of the 'psychotronic' variety.”
I suspect we have been blind-sided. Also those soldiers in Abu Ghurayb Prison were probably mind-slaves. No wonder Bush could not pronounce it. I could hardly spell it! Indeed Osama bin Laden himself is probably a mind-slave, a Puppet Dancing on some Malevolent ET's Strings creating Death Cults to rid Earth of humans like in Coppola's "First Wave" and many other Sci Fi stories. We have had two UFO Death Cults already plus Jones Town. Then there was Hitler and the Masters of Shamballah, The Vril etc. I wrote about this 25 years ago in
http://qedcorp.com/book/psi/hitweapon.html
Have you listened to that piece from 1979?
“In fact you are going off in many directions simultaneously with your concerns, not wanting, it seems, to leave any stone unturned in the field of unconventional phenomena.”
I see patterns that most do not see. Of course one must be wary for false attractors. However, I do not clutch my errors to my chest like most people do.
“But you see, there is another set of tea leaves that also has to be considered, besides the mathematical and scientific tea leaves. This has to do with simple clairvoyance.”
Not interested - unless confirmed by competent parapsychologists. I am not interested in unscientific claims. I am always interested in great art and literature of course.
“This is what I am attempting to practice. This practice has been around for a long time. Most such psychic phenomena are of ancient provenance, and you do not dispute their validity. When I look into the future, I see that the primary concerns are going to be software, rather than hardware issues. You and science generally represent the scientific and technological concerns, and I am trying to represent in this forum, at least, the software concerns. What Ron, and perhaps some others, seem to be looking for from this particular exchange is how better to balance these two contrasting concerns, particularly with respect to our present and future interaction with anomalous phenomena.”
I am primarily interested in building a fighter spacecraft, like the RAF’s Spitfire in the 1940’s, that can do what we see the flying saucers doing (hair pin turns with zero g-force) and which use very small amounts of energy. I prefer bolts with my nuts.
Blowing Off Virtual Steam?
On Oct 17, 2004, at 10:31 AM, Tony Smith wrote:
“Jack, you say that you have a”
.. spherically symmetric exotic vacuum halo ZPF field concentric with the center of mass of the Sun ... ... It's not a thin shell. ... It's a sphere of zero point energy density extending out beyond the Sun falling off as 1/r in this static first Newtonian approximation that is good enough for the actual data. ...
“and that you get a 1/r falloff rate for dark energy by”
".. Curve fitting the data. A battle-tested empirical method. That assumption gives the "constant" c^2/LpR(t) from solving Poisson's equation with spherical symmetry ...
“and you ask".
.. 1/r is not at all implausible is it? ...
“What about the infinite density of dark energy at r = 0 at the center of the sun?”
There is no infinity! You did not read my equations carefully. It's finite at r = 0. You are only looking at the large scale limiting case!
“if your dark energy density varies continuously as 1/r from r = 0 out to at least r = 100 AU, then how do you account for the fact that the Pioneer data showed normal acceleration while they were within 20 AU of the sun, roughly the orbit of Uranus,
and then only when they got beyond Uranus, or about 20 AU (currently observations are of distances from 20 to 70 AU) did the anomalous acceleration show up?”
I only gave a first approximation. Closer in there will be all sorts of perturbations. If what you say is true, then I can see why you got the spherical shell idea. Write up your analysis of the data and I will include it. So you are saying it's as if the Sun blew off a "smoke ring" of exotic vacuum – actually blasted out a thick spherical shell that has expanded to ~ 50 AU so far? Sort of like an invisible supernova explosion of invisible virtual stuff? OK that's an interesting idea. Write it up. I don't care about the particular /\zpf functional spatio-temporal dependence - that must be fitted to data.
“For example, in http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/gr-qc/0104064 Anderson et al say: ‘Beginning in 1980, when at a distance of 20 astronomical units (AU) from the Sun ... we found that the largest systematic error in the acceleration residuals was a constant bias, aP , directed toward the Sun. Such anomalous data have been continuously received ever since.’
In your model, what happens at 20 AU to account for that transition?”
OK fair enough. Good point. I wish you said that sooner. :-) Write it up the way you want me to quote you.
On Oct 17, 2004, at 11:43 AM, Tony Smith wrote:
“Jack, here is a revised rough write-up of what I am thinking about Pioneer,
adding the Higgs-eating bit that you mentioned just now.
In http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/gr-qc/0104064 Anderson et al say:
‘Beginning in 1980, when at a distance of 20 astronomical units (AU) from the Sun ... we found that the largest systematic error in the acceleration residuals was a constant bias, aP , directed toward the Sun. Such anomalous data have been continuously received ever since.’
Therefore, there must be some sort of transition in our solar system around the orbit of Uranus (about 20 AU) in which gravity changes from its usual state (for us who are in the interior of our solar system) to another state for beyond the solar system interior, due which the Pioneer anomalous acceleration occurs. The model that I like is a 2-phase model based on Segal's work which has two phases with different metrics …”
I don’t like this model. It is too complicated and the effect is more parsimoniously modeled with my theory based only on Einstein’s theory of gravity and a tiny bit more.
“I will also note that Carlos Castro says that Nottale gets similar results by also using two metrics, one of which has a dilation-type factor.”
If it ain’t broke don’t fix it.
“Jack Sarfatti has a 2-phase dark energy / dark matter model that can give a similar anomalous acceleration in regions where c^2 /\ dark energy / dark matter is effectively present with a 1/r density pattern.”
The 1/r is not fundamental. The idea is to find the r-dependence that fits the data. It’s easy to model the spherical shell model as well if that is what is called for by the evidence.
“If there is a phase transition (around Uranus at 20 AU) whereby ordinary matter dominates inside that distance from the sun and exotic dark energy / dark matter appears at greater distances, then Jack's model could also explain the Pioneer anomaly
and it may be that Jack's model with ordinary and exotic phases and my model with deSitter/Poincare and Conformal phases may be two ways of looking at the same thing.”
No, I am pretty sure that is not true, because my conservative model is complete needing only a very small number of mainstream battle-tested ideas. There may well be exotic effects like what you are pointing to, but the Pioneer 10/11 data has no need for them as far as I can see at this moment. Keep it as simple as possible, but not simpler than is possible.
“As to what might be the physical mechanism of the phase transition, Jack says:”
Rest masses of [ordinary matter] particles require the smooth non-random Higgs Ocean which soaks up the choppy random troublesome zero point energy
“In other words in a region in which ordinary matter is dominant, such as the Sun and our solar system, the mass-giving action of the Higgs mechanism "soaks up" the Dark Energy zero point conformal degrees of freedom that are dominant in low-ordinary mass regions of our universe (which are roughly the intergalactic voids that occupy most of the volume of our universe).”
Almost, however, I do not need conformal degrees of freedom to explain the dark energy. Dark energy is simply uncompensated micro-quantum zero point energy density mostly of virtual electron-positron pairs and virtual photons in the low energy sector. You do not need torsion, conformal and dilation compensating macro-quantum fields to supplement Einstein’s 1915 metric field to explain the exotic vacua in terms of current evidence. We may be able to make such fields artificially with metric engineering, but like real anti-matter, there is no evidence for spontaneous large amounts of them in our brane world. In the case of the real anti-matter, it’s in the universe next door to which we are connected by tiny wormhole throats that can be thought of as strings with each end attached to a pair of dual branes. These Wheeler “Mass without mass” micro-geon hidden variable wormhole throat “topological defect” strings are threaded by closed Faraday quantized flux lines of Wheeler’s “Charge without charge”. The electric, weak, and strong fluxes threading the wormhole throats are quantized because of the single-valuedness of the local macro-quantum coherent phase rigid Higgs Ocean order parameter. The total electrical neutrality of our brane shows it is in a kind of “anti-ferromagnetic” ground state. For example, electric flux lines all leave the proton wormhole mouths, like parallel spins on a sub-lattice, and all enter the the electron wormhole mouths, like anti-parallel spins on the second sub-lattice, on the same brane floating in hyperspace.
“It may be that the observation of the Pioneer phase transition at Uranus from ordinary to anomalous acceleration is an experimental result that gives us a first look at dark energy/dark matter phenomena that could lead to energy sources that could be even more important than the nuclear energy discovered during the past century.”
That’s exactly right. That’s a fact shown on the NIDS website that has just been shut down just when we are getting close to The Truth Out There as we touch The Face of God going up, up, up going up, like The Birds (Aviary) do fly. We shall drop in on Mars and flirt with the stars. (From a WWI song on The Curtis Wright Aeroplanes sung to me by my grandmother, Eva Jacobson, in the early days of WWII). However, we do not need your conformal degrees of freedom – not yet. Not for this Pioneer 10/11 Anomaly.
“PS - I have a bit about Pioneer written up on my web site at
http://www.innerx.net/personal/tsmith/SegalConf3.html#pioneerexpmt
with some other related material (especially about Segal conformal stuff) on the rest of that page and some related pages.”
Yes, put all your details up there for those interested. Right now, I think what you propose is a sledgehammer to swat a fly. We may need to roll in the torsion and conformal heavy artillery for something else in the pursuit of warp, wormhole and weapon.
On Oct 17, 2004, at 10:31 AM, Tony Smith wrote:
“Jack, you say that you have a”
.. spherically symmetric exotic vacuum halo ZPF field concentric with the center of mass of the Sun ... ... It's not a thin shell. ... It's a sphere of zero point energy density extending out beyond the Sun falling off as 1/r in this static first Newtonian approximation that is good enough for the actual data. ...
“and that you get a 1/r falloff rate for dark energy by”
".. Curve fitting the data. A battle-tested empirical method. That assumption gives the "constant" c^2/LpR(t) from solving Poisson's equation with spherical symmetry ...
“and you ask".
.. 1/r is not at all implausible is it? ...
“What about the infinite density of dark energy at r = 0 at the center of the sun?”
There is no infinity! You did not read my equations carefully. It's finite at r = 0. You are only looking at the large scale limiting case!
“if your dark energy density varies continuously as 1/r from r = 0 out to at least r = 100 AU, then how do you account for the fact that the Pioneer data showed normal acceleration while they were within 20 AU of the sun, roughly the orbit of Uranus,
and then only when they got beyond Uranus, or about 20 AU (currently observations are of distances from 20 to 70 AU) did the anomalous acceleration show up?”
I only gave a first approximation. Closer in there will be all sorts of perturbations. If what you say is true, then I can see why you got the spherical shell idea. Write up your analysis of the data and I will include it. So you are saying it's as if the Sun blew off a "smoke ring" of exotic vacuum – actually blasted out a thick spherical shell that has expanded to ~ 50 AU so far? Sort of like an invisible supernova explosion of invisible virtual stuff? OK that's an interesting idea. Write it up. I don't care about the particular /\zpf functional spatio-temporal dependence - that must be fitted to data.
“For example, in http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/gr-qc/0104064 Anderson et al say: ‘Beginning in 1980, when at a distance of 20 astronomical units (AU) from the Sun ... we found that the largest systematic error in the acceleration residuals was a constant bias, aP , directed toward the Sun. Such anomalous data have been continuously received ever since.’
In your model, what happens at 20 AU to account for that transition?”
OK fair enough. Good point. I wish you said that sooner. :-) Write it up the way you want me to quote you.
On Oct 17, 2004, at 11:43 AM, Tony Smith wrote:
“Jack, here is a revised rough write-up of what I am thinking about Pioneer,
adding the Higgs-eating bit that you mentioned just now.
In http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/gr-qc/0104064 Anderson et al say:
‘Beginning in 1980, when at a distance of 20 astronomical units (AU) from the Sun ... we found that the largest systematic error in the acceleration residuals was a constant bias, aP , directed toward the Sun. Such anomalous data have been continuously received ever since.’
Therefore, there must be some sort of transition in our solar system around the orbit of Uranus (about 20 AU) in which gravity changes from its usual state (for us who are in the interior of our solar system) to another state for beyond the solar system interior, due which the Pioneer anomalous acceleration occurs. The model that I like is a 2-phase model based on Segal's work which has two phases with different metrics …”
I don’t like this model. It is too complicated and the effect is more parsimoniously modeled with my theory based only on Einstein’s theory of gravity and a tiny bit more.
“I will also note that Carlos Castro says that Nottale gets similar results by also using two metrics, one of which has a dilation-type factor.”
If it ain’t broke don’t fix it.
“Jack Sarfatti has a 2-phase dark energy / dark matter model that can give a similar anomalous acceleration in regions where c^2 /\ dark energy / dark matter is effectively present with a 1/r density pattern.”
The 1/r is not fundamental. The idea is to find the r-dependence that fits the data. It’s easy to model the spherical shell model as well if that is what is called for by the evidence.
“If there is a phase transition (around Uranus at 20 AU) whereby ordinary matter dominates inside that distance from the sun and exotic dark energy / dark matter appears at greater distances, then Jack's model could also explain the Pioneer anomaly
and it may be that Jack's model with ordinary and exotic phases and my model with deSitter/Poincare and Conformal phases may be two ways of looking at the same thing.”
No, I am pretty sure that is not true, because my conservative model is complete needing only a very small number of mainstream battle-tested ideas. There may well be exotic effects like what you are pointing to, but the Pioneer 10/11 data has no need for them as far as I can see at this moment. Keep it as simple as possible, but not simpler than is possible.
“As to what might be the physical mechanism of the phase transition, Jack says:”
Rest masses of [ordinary matter] particles require the smooth non-random Higgs Ocean which soaks up the choppy random troublesome zero point energy
“In other words in a region in which ordinary matter is dominant, such as the Sun and our solar system, the mass-giving action of the Higgs mechanism "soaks up" the Dark Energy zero point conformal degrees of freedom that are dominant in low-ordinary mass regions of our universe (which are roughly the intergalactic voids that occupy most of the volume of our universe).”
Almost, however, I do not need conformal degrees of freedom to explain the dark energy. Dark energy is simply uncompensated micro-quantum zero point energy density mostly of virtual electron-positron pairs and virtual photons in the low energy sector. You do not need torsion, conformal and dilation compensating macro-quantum fields to supplement Einstein’s 1915 metric field to explain the exotic vacua in terms of current evidence. We may be able to make such fields artificially with metric engineering, but like real anti-matter, there is no evidence for spontaneous large amounts of them in our brane world. In the case of the real anti-matter, it’s in the universe next door to which we are connected by tiny wormhole throats that can be thought of as strings with each end attached to a pair of dual branes. These Wheeler “Mass without mass” micro-geon hidden variable wormhole throat “topological defect” strings are threaded by closed Faraday quantized flux lines of Wheeler’s “Charge without charge”. The electric, weak, and strong fluxes threading the wormhole throats are quantized because of the single-valuedness of the local macro-quantum coherent phase rigid Higgs Ocean order parameter. The total electrical neutrality of our brane shows it is in a kind of “anti-ferromagnetic” ground state. For example, electric flux lines all leave the proton wormhole mouths, like parallel spins on a sub-lattice, and all enter the the electron wormhole mouths, like anti-parallel spins on the second sub-lattice, on the same brane floating in hyperspace.
“It may be that the observation of the Pioneer phase transition at Uranus from ordinary to anomalous acceleration is an experimental result that gives us a first look at dark energy/dark matter phenomena that could lead to energy sources that could be even more important than the nuclear energy discovered during the past century.”
That’s exactly right. That’s a fact shown on the NIDS website that has just been shut down just when we are getting close to The Truth Out There as we touch The Face of God going up, up, up going up, like The Birds (Aviary) do fly. We shall drop in on Mars and flirt with the stars. (From a WWI song on The Curtis Wright Aeroplanes sung to me by my grandmother, Eva Jacobson, in the early days of WWII). However, we do not need your conformal degrees of freedom – not yet. Not for this Pioneer 10/11 Anomaly.
“PS - I have a bit about Pioneer written up on my web site at
http://www.innerx.net/personal/tsmith/SegalConf3.html#pioneerexpmt
with some other related material (especially about Segal conformal stuff) on the rest of that page and some related pages.”
Yes, put all your details up there for those interested. Right now, I think what you propose is a sledgehammer to swat a fly. We may need to roll in the torsion and conformal heavy artillery for something else in the pursuit of warp, wormhole and weapon.
Friday, October 15, 2004
In a nutshell, more complete math details to follow,
The empirical data from Pioneer 10/11 probes out at 20-70 AU to appears to show a CONSTANT acceleration ~ cH ~ 10^-7 cm/sec^2 radially directed back toward the Sun, i.e. the approximate region of origin of the probes.
It is trivial to model this approximately as a post-inflationary seed shorter-scale dark energy effect consistent with the Galactic Halo observations.
We do not need any fancy math of fractal geometries, Clifford algebras, Finsler spaces etc, nor do we we have to posit max and min accelerations at this point for this particular set of observations. Battle-tested General Relativity is sufficient and we want more from less with a minimum of excess theoretical baggage, no matter how beautiful, consistent with the principle of parsimony. This is not to say, however that the approaches taken by Castro, Smith, Notalle et-al may not be useful in terms of practical empirical physics. I am not ruling that out. However, I do not see any compelling argument in Carlo's latest paper explaining WHY Pioneer data is showing the minimum acceleration in the sense of his Ansatz of fractal scale-invariant force = INVARIANT STRING TENSION
mpc^2/Lp = Muc^2/R = c^4/G = STRING TENSION = SPACE-TIME STIFFNESS = MACRO-QUANTUM GOLDSTONE PHASE RIGIDITY
Where Mu is "mass" of Universe needed to agree with Inflationary spatial flatness Omega = 1. Of course. only 0.04 of that 1 is from real on mass shell particles i.e. mostly nucleons - 0.96 of that Omega = 1 is from VIRTUAL exotic vacuum, i.e. UNCOMPENSATED random micro-quantum zero point vacuum fluctuation energy density and pressure with w = -1 from INFLATIONARY SEED FLUCTUATIONS in the MACRO-QUANTUM Higgs Ocean "vacuum condensate" out of which Einstein's local smooth geometrodynamic field equations from 1915 naturally and beautifully emerge. Generalizations to Gennady Shipov torsion compensating gauge fields, conformal gravity compensating gauge fields in sense of Tony Smith, resolution-dependent wavelet frame shifts (Nottale), deformations of quantum group algebra with q as in Carlos Castro's latest paper can all be done later from my paradigm IF observations, like the Pioneer anomaly, demand it - as well they may. But for now we can get a lot of insight into the Pioneer anomaly without all that excess baggage. The Pioneer data may be as important as the bending of light by gravity with the non-Newtonian factor of 2 that comes from w = +1/3 for real photons as distinct from virtual zero point fluctuations of all quanta that obey w = -1 because of General Relativity.
There are gaps in the knowledge of how the galaxies and stars form in the early universe. I think now I have a simple general insight into how that happens in general that I will illustrate with a simple model giving the observed Pioneer anomaly with a direct simple explanation of the DIRECTION of the anomaly that does not require a year long graduate course in Geometric Algebra to quickly understand. ;-)
CONJECTURE: Every massive body in the Universe is in an exotic vacuum effective gravity well or landscape attractor left over from the pre -> post inflationary false -> true vacuum phase transition from the unstable CONFORMAL globally flat micro-quantum Dirac Sea of virtual MASSLESS fermion-antifermion pairs and their MASSLESS virtual gauge bosons, to the macro-quantum coherent "Higgs ocean" with MASSIVE fermion-antifermion quasi-particles and MASSIVE W bosons and of course Einstein's gravity emergent as a coherent ODLRO effect well known in soft-condensed-matter physics as part of the "More is different" Ansatz of emergent complexity formulated by P.W. Anderson in 1967 that adds essential details missing in Andrei Sakharov's (also 1967) notion of connecting Einstein's gravity to zero point energy.
OK let's cut to the chase with a simple model for the Pioneer 10/11 Anomaly.
Imagine the INFLATIONARY SEED BIG BANG REMNANT exotic vacuum spherical halo centered at the Sun's center with the functional static local field dependence
/\zpf = [Lp(1 + R(t))]^-1[Lp + r']^-1
where r' = radial distance to Sun. R(r) is the dimensionless FRW cosmological scale factor of precision cosmology. We can use Newtonian potential theory here to a good approximation over the 100 AU scale. The Green's function G(r - r')solution to Newton's Poisson field equation for the universal potential energy per unit test mass
V(r) = c^2Integral{G(r - r')/\zpf(r')d^3r']
for this spherically symmetric exotic vacuum halo centered at the Sun is pure S-wave in the multipole expansion into Legendre polynomials gives when R(t) >> 1 as it is today and r >> Lp = 10^-33 cm
V(r) ~ +c^2r/LpR(t)
This is LINEAR in r the radial distance of Pioneer back to the Sun.
At this moment in cosmic time t, LpR(t) ~ 10^28 cm.
The ATTRACTIVE QUASI-CONSTANT Newtonian force from this POSITIVE exotic vacuum zero point energy density of NEGATIVE pressure is the negative gradient i.e.
a_P = -c^2/LpR(t) ~ 10^-7 cm/sec^2 directed back to the center of the Sun.
This is basically Physics 101 in the Cornell Tradition from the late 1950's of getting important physical results with as little math as possible as taught by Hans Bethe, Phil Morrison, Ed Salpeter et-al.
The power law dependence is positive, which is why the DARK ENERGY SOLAR HALO is an attractive well speeding up the early concentration of matter in the formation of the Sun. If the power law dependence was with a negative exponent, we would get ANTI-GRAVITY universal repulsion instead - an exotic vacuum instability.
The empirical data from Pioneer 10/11 probes out at 20-70 AU to appears to show a CONSTANT acceleration ~ cH ~ 10^-7 cm/sec^2 radially directed back toward the Sun, i.e. the approximate region of origin of the probes.
It is trivial to model this approximately as a post-inflationary seed shorter-scale dark energy effect consistent with the Galactic Halo observations.
We do not need any fancy math of fractal geometries, Clifford algebras, Finsler spaces etc, nor do we we have to posit max and min accelerations at this point for this particular set of observations. Battle-tested General Relativity is sufficient and we want more from less with a minimum of excess theoretical baggage, no matter how beautiful, consistent with the principle of parsimony. This is not to say, however that the approaches taken by Castro, Smith, Notalle et-al may not be useful in terms of practical empirical physics. I am not ruling that out. However, I do not see any compelling argument in Carlo's latest paper explaining WHY Pioneer data is showing the minimum acceleration in the sense of his Ansatz of fractal scale-invariant force = INVARIANT STRING TENSION
mpc^2/Lp = Muc^2/R = c^4/G = STRING TENSION = SPACE-TIME STIFFNESS = MACRO-QUANTUM GOLDSTONE PHASE RIGIDITY
Where Mu is "mass" of Universe needed to agree with Inflationary spatial flatness Omega = 1. Of course. only 0.04 of that 1 is from real on mass shell particles i.e. mostly nucleons - 0.96 of that Omega = 1 is from VIRTUAL exotic vacuum, i.e. UNCOMPENSATED random micro-quantum zero point vacuum fluctuation energy density and pressure with w = -1 from INFLATIONARY SEED FLUCTUATIONS in the MACRO-QUANTUM Higgs Ocean "vacuum condensate" out of which Einstein's local smooth geometrodynamic field equations from 1915 naturally and beautifully emerge. Generalizations to Gennady Shipov torsion compensating gauge fields, conformal gravity compensating gauge fields in sense of Tony Smith, resolution-dependent wavelet frame shifts (Nottale), deformations of quantum group algebra with q as in Carlos Castro's latest paper can all be done later from my paradigm IF observations, like the Pioneer anomaly, demand it - as well they may. But for now we can get a lot of insight into the Pioneer anomaly without all that excess baggage. The Pioneer data may be as important as the bending of light by gravity with the non-Newtonian factor of 2 that comes from w = +1/3 for real photons as distinct from virtual zero point fluctuations of all quanta that obey w = -1 because of General Relativity.
There are gaps in the knowledge of how the galaxies and stars form in the early universe. I think now I have a simple general insight into how that happens in general that I will illustrate with a simple model giving the observed Pioneer anomaly with a direct simple explanation of the DIRECTION of the anomaly that does not require a year long graduate course in Geometric Algebra to quickly understand. ;-)
CONJECTURE: Every massive body in the Universe is in an exotic vacuum effective gravity well or landscape attractor left over from the pre -> post inflationary false -> true vacuum phase transition from the unstable CONFORMAL globally flat micro-quantum Dirac Sea of virtual MASSLESS fermion-antifermion pairs and their MASSLESS virtual gauge bosons, to the macro-quantum coherent "Higgs ocean" with MASSIVE fermion-antifermion quasi-particles and MASSIVE W bosons and of course Einstein's gravity emergent as a coherent ODLRO effect well known in soft-condensed-matter physics as part of the "More is different" Ansatz of emergent complexity formulated by P.W. Anderson in 1967 that adds essential details missing in Andrei Sakharov's (also 1967) notion of connecting Einstein's gravity to zero point energy.
OK let's cut to the chase with a simple model for the Pioneer 10/11 Anomaly.
Imagine the INFLATIONARY SEED BIG BANG REMNANT exotic vacuum spherical halo centered at the Sun's center with the functional static local field dependence
/\zpf = [Lp(1 + R(t))]^-1[Lp + r']^-1
where r' = radial distance to Sun. R(r) is the dimensionless FRW cosmological scale factor of precision cosmology. We can use Newtonian potential theory here to a good approximation over the 100 AU scale. The Green's function G(r - r')solution to Newton's Poisson field equation for the universal potential energy per unit test mass
V(r) = c^2Integral{G(r - r')/\zpf(r')d^3r']
for this spherically symmetric exotic vacuum halo centered at the Sun is pure S-wave in the multipole expansion into Legendre polynomials gives when R(t) >> 1 as it is today and r >> Lp = 10^-33 cm
V(r) ~ +c^2r/LpR(t)
This is LINEAR in r the radial distance of Pioneer back to the Sun.
At this moment in cosmic time t, LpR(t) ~ 10^28 cm.
The ATTRACTIVE QUASI-CONSTANT Newtonian force from this POSITIVE exotic vacuum zero point energy density of NEGATIVE pressure is the negative gradient i.e.
a_P = -c^2/LpR(t) ~ 10^-7 cm/sec^2 directed back to the center of the Sun.
This is basically Physics 101 in the Cornell Tradition from the late 1950's of getting important physical results with as little math as possible as taught by Hans Bethe, Phil Morrison, Ed Salpeter et-al.
The power law dependence is positive, which is why the DARK ENERGY SOLAR HALO is an attractive well speeding up the early concentration of matter in the formation of the Sun. If the power law dependence was with a negative exponent, we would get ANTI-GRAVITY universal repulsion instead - an exotic vacuum instability.
Thursday, October 14, 2004
Begin forwarded message:
From: Jack Sarfatti
Date: October 14, 2004 9:47:18 AM PDT
To: christenw27@cybertrails.com
Subject: Re: God has been Out-Sourced & Nazi Ahnenerbe in Tibet
This is also more New Age bullshit when it comes to doing real physics. It's OK for personal comfort - as an Opiate. Fine. Bushie listens to his "Higher Father", OK, but it needs to be separated from Affairs of State and Science. As CIA's Michael Scheuer spells out in "Imperial Hubris" a serious Muslim is not able to separate Faith from State. This applies to Neocon Muslim convert Stephen Schwartz, author of the very controversial "The Two Faces of Islam." This is the concept of "Jihad". Even for peaceful Muslims this is a contradiction they must grapple with and it explains why Osama bin Ladin's power has increased not decreased since our invasion of Iraq. Even if and when we kill him, he will live on as a Martyr to replicate more terrorists. That is what he wants. He will not live long in any case with his bad kidneys. Obviously, Osama will arrange for his Martyr's Death at our hands soon. He will not take the cowardly path like Saddam Hussein. Let us hope he does of course. I hope I am wrong in this prediction from my reading of Scheuer.
Much of the New Age from Esalen et-al derives from the Nazi Occult which also influenced Charles Lindburgh's circle leading to Walter Breen, Arthur Young & Andrija Puharich & Me and Uri Geller et-al in late 30's that led to what was happening in late 40's and early 50's. See Phillip Roth's "The Plot Against America" http://books.guardian.co.uk/authors/author/0,5917,96576,00.html. This includes Atlantis, paranormal & UFOs VRIL = ZERO POINT ENERGY etc. This is not to say that the paranormal and UFOs and zero point dark energy are not real. Look at all the Nazi stuff in Nick Cook's book for example.
http://www.charleslindbergh.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=4;t=000066
It is important to know the historical origins of what is happening now.
On Oct 13, 2004, at 5:06 PM, Christen Warwick wrote:
Dr. Sarfatti wrote:
What "faith"? "Faith" is irrelevant and dangerous!
The Sermon for today Brothers and Sisters is
By Their Proofs Ye Shall Know Them!
Christen replied:
There is a Third Path.
It is the path of Direct Experience.
A lot of "faith" is unnecessary on this Third Path.
In fact, "faith" is often discarded. And so are lots of
pre-conceived notions. But, a little bit of open-mindedness
would help.
Years ago, my Godfather met his Master in Tibet, and witnessed
many wonderful things, still unexplained by science.
Yeah, the Nazi Ahnenerbe went to Tibet I think in 1938?
http://qedecorp.com/book/psi/hitweapon.html
http://www.channel4.com/history/microsites/H/history/heads/footnotes/nazimyths.html
You have mastered physics. Now, learn the other ways.
Book Reference 1: THE THREE PILLARS OF ZEN, by Philip Kapleau.
Book Reference 2: ONLY ONE SKY, by Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh.
The most recent historical Buddha (Gautama) had access to great
knowledge, just by focusing his developed consciousness upon
the subject. His discourses are recorded in great detail.
They describe multiple dimensions and the nature of existence,
with no scientific instruments required. Copies of these
discourses are at the UCLA Research Library, and probably
at UCSC. In amazement, I was allowed to handle these old books
myself, years ago.
Also, you can go into space orbit, and look down upon the
earth, as did Dr. Ed Mitchell. He had a direct experience,
which forever changed him.
Physics is not the only path. In some ways, it does not teach
you enough.
You are really smart, but there is even more to learn.
Try the other Great Paths, as well.
-- Christen
From: Jack Sarfatti
Date: October 14, 2004 9:47:18 AM PDT
To: christenw27@cybertrails.com
Subject: Re: God has been Out-Sourced & Nazi Ahnenerbe in Tibet
This is also more New Age bullshit when it comes to doing real physics. It's OK for personal comfort - as an Opiate. Fine. Bushie listens to his "Higher Father", OK, but it needs to be separated from Affairs of State and Science. As CIA's Michael Scheuer spells out in "Imperial Hubris" a serious Muslim is not able to separate Faith from State. This applies to Neocon Muslim convert Stephen Schwartz, author of the very controversial "The Two Faces of Islam." This is the concept of "Jihad". Even for peaceful Muslims this is a contradiction they must grapple with and it explains why Osama bin Ladin's power has increased not decreased since our invasion of Iraq. Even if and when we kill him, he will live on as a Martyr to replicate more terrorists. That is what he wants. He will not live long in any case with his bad kidneys. Obviously, Osama will arrange for his Martyr's Death at our hands soon. He will not take the cowardly path like Saddam Hussein. Let us hope he does of course. I hope I am wrong in this prediction from my reading of Scheuer.
Much of the New Age from Esalen et-al derives from the Nazi Occult which also influenced Charles Lindburgh's circle leading to Walter Breen, Arthur Young & Andrija Puharich & Me and Uri Geller et-al in late 30's that led to what was happening in late 40's and early 50's. See Phillip Roth's "The Plot Against America" http://books.guardian.co.uk/authors/author/0,5917,96576,00.html. This includes Atlantis, paranormal & UFOs VRIL = ZERO POINT ENERGY etc. This is not to say that the paranormal and UFOs and zero point dark energy are not real. Look at all the Nazi stuff in Nick Cook's book for example.
http://www.charleslindbergh.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=4;t=000066
It is important to know the historical origins of what is happening now.
On Oct 13, 2004, at 5:06 PM, Christen Warwick wrote:
Dr. Sarfatti wrote:
What "faith"? "Faith" is irrelevant and dangerous!
The Sermon for today Brothers and Sisters is
By Their Proofs Ye Shall Know Them!
Christen replied:
There is a Third Path.
It is the path of Direct Experience.
A lot of "faith" is unnecessary on this Third Path.
In fact, "faith" is often discarded. And so are lots of
pre-conceived notions. But, a little bit of open-mindedness
would help.
Years ago, my Godfather met his Master in Tibet, and witnessed
many wonderful things, still unexplained by science.
Yeah, the Nazi Ahnenerbe went to Tibet I think in 1938?
http://qedecorp.com/book/psi/hitweapon.html
http://www.channel4.com/history/microsites/H/history/heads/footnotes/nazimyths.html
You have mastered physics. Now, learn the other ways.
Book Reference 1: THE THREE PILLARS OF ZEN, by Philip Kapleau.
Book Reference 2: ONLY ONE SKY, by Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh.
The most recent historical Buddha (Gautama) had access to great
knowledge, just by focusing his developed consciousness upon
the subject. His discourses are recorded in great detail.
They describe multiple dimensions and the nature of existence,
with no scientific instruments required. Copies of these
discourses are at the UCLA Research Library, and probably
at UCSC. In amazement, I was allowed to handle these old books
myself, years ago.
Also, you can go into space orbit, and look down upon the
earth, as did Dr. Ed Mitchell. He had a direct experience,
which forever changed him.
Physics is not the only path. In some ways, it does not teach
you enough.
You are really smart, but there is even more to learn.
Try the other Great Paths, as well.
-- Christen
Wednesday, October 13, 2004
Anomaly in motion of Pioneer Space-Craft an Exotic Vacuum Effect?
Valentini may be wrong about relic particles? We don’t need them. Exotic vacua may do the trick? There is also the anomaly in the motion of the Pioneer space-craft that must be an exotic vacuum effect.
From: sarfatti@pacbell.net
Subject: Re: NASA Pioneer data refutes Clifford Space prediction?
Date: October 13, 2004 9:51:05 AM PDT
To: ItalianPhysicsCenter@YahooGroups.com, SarfattiScienceSeminars@yahoogroups.com, and 1 more...
On Oct 12, 2004, at 8:24 PM, carlos castro wrote:
Dear Jack :
I got the numerical results from Lee Smolin and Laurent Nottale's papers in the web.
Maybe all of us are wrong and you are right.
Best wishes
Carlos
It's not me. The number is reported in Nature 30 Sept 2004 p 494. I can send you a pdf but it is 1/2 meg
"an unexpected force - about a hundred million times weaker than gravity's force on the surface of the Earth - has been pulling the craft back towards the Sun"
Your cosmological formula c^2/(Hubble Radius) is too small by a factor of 100. Also clearly this Pioneer anomaly is local not cosmological since the anomalous force is directed back towards the sun. This is obviously a localized exotic vacuum zero point energy effect like an invisible spherical halo centered at the Sun similar to the galactic halo. Indeed, such exotic vacuum halos may be important for star and galaxy formation? The idea is very similar to my explanation of Ken Shoulders mesoscopic EVOs that is not a Casimir force effect of any type I or II as Puthoff has suggested.
If Pioneer is still inside the conjectured invisible halo then it is a uniform dark energy exotic vacuum of negative pressure with a POSITIVE 3D harmonic oscillator potential energy per unit test mass ~ +c^2|/\zpf|r^2 just like Ken Shoulders EVOs! On the other hand if Pioneer is outside the halo of radius r* then it is a uniform dark matter halo of positive pressure with the negative potential energy per unit test mass ~ -c^2|/\zpf|r*^3/r. Therefore, my exotic vacuum model makes a definite prediction that the anomalous g force on Pioneer should increase with time initially and then decrease when Pioneer passes beyond the edge of the invisible exotic vacuum halo centered at the Sun.
Valentini may be wrong about relic particles? We don’t need them. Exotic vacua may do the trick? There is also the anomaly in the motion of the Pioneer space-craft that must be an exotic vacuum effect.
From: sarfatti@pacbell.net
Subject: Re: NASA Pioneer data refutes Clifford Space prediction?
Date: October 13, 2004 9:51:05 AM PDT
To: ItalianPhysicsCenter@YahooGroups.com, SarfattiScienceSeminars@yahoogroups.com, and 1 more...
On Oct 12, 2004, at 8:24 PM, carlos castro wrote:
Dear Jack :
I got the numerical results from Lee Smolin and Laurent Nottale's papers in the web.
Maybe all of us are wrong and you are right.
Best wishes
Carlos
It's not me. The number is reported in Nature 30 Sept 2004 p 494. I can send you a pdf but it is 1/2 meg
"an unexpected force - about a hundred million times weaker than gravity's force on the surface of the Earth - has been pulling the craft back towards the Sun"
Your cosmological formula c^2/(Hubble Radius) is too small by a factor of 100. Also clearly this Pioneer anomaly is local not cosmological since the anomalous force is directed back towards the sun. This is obviously a localized exotic vacuum zero point energy effect like an invisible spherical halo centered at the Sun similar to the galactic halo. Indeed, such exotic vacuum halos may be important for star and galaxy formation? The idea is very similar to my explanation of Ken Shoulders mesoscopic EVOs that is not a Casimir force effect of any type I or II as Puthoff has suggested.
If Pioneer is still inside the conjectured invisible halo then it is a uniform dark energy exotic vacuum of negative pressure with a POSITIVE 3D harmonic oscillator potential energy per unit test mass ~ +c^2|/\zpf|r^2 just like Ken Shoulders EVOs! On the other hand if Pioneer is outside the halo of radius r* then it is a uniform dark matter halo of positive pressure with the negative potential energy per unit test mass ~ -c^2|/\zpf|r*^3/r. Therefore, my exotic vacuum model makes a definite prediction that the anomalous g force on Pioneer should increase with time initially and then decrease when Pioneer passes beyond the edge of the invisible exotic vacuum halo centered at the Sun.
Sunday, October 10, 2004
Aha! Thanks.
On Oct 10, 2004, at 12:32 PM, s-p & m-m Sirag wrote:
Jack,
On the "Sun behind the Sun":
This idea is not in Mike Murphy's novel, *An End to Ordinary History* (1982,
a follow-up to *Jacob Atabet*). The exotic idea (one of several) in that
book that is closest to this idea is the "Earth of Hurqalya."
In the "Author's Note" Mike writes:
"Kirov, around whom this story revolves, was an initiate of a mystic
school in Central Asia and an agent of the KGB. He introduced Fall to his
school's secret doctrine that our planet is part of a 'larger Earth," the
'Earth of Hurqalya,' in which the human body becomes a lunminous form of the
soul."
The idea of a "sun behind the sun" is perhaps implicit in the Gurdjieffian
idea of the "Sun-Absolute" that John G. Bennett attributes to Gurdjieff in
his biography: *Gurdjieff: Making a New World* (1973).
Also this idea is reminiscent of the Pythagorean model of the solar system
in which there is both a "central fire" around which the sun, the earth, and
a counter earth (called "Antichthon") revolve. For details see, "The
Development of the Pythagorean Doctrine" by Theodor Gomperz in *Theories of
the Universe: from Babylonian Myth to Modern Science (edited by Milton K.
Munitz (1957).
BTW: in a previous email you speculated that the name Atabet in Mike
Murphy's novel *Jacob Atabet* (1977) was based on the Hebrew letters Aleph
and Beth. (Of course, our word "alphabet", based on Greek letters goes back
to the Phoenecian/Hebrew alphabet.) Actually, Mike told me that Atabet was
the name of his maternal grandfather who was Basque.
All for now ;-)
Saul-Paul
On Oct 10, 2004, at 12:32 PM, s-p & m-m Sirag wrote:
Jack,
On the "Sun behind the Sun":
This idea is not in Mike Murphy's novel, *An End to Ordinary History* (1982,
a follow-up to *Jacob Atabet*). The exotic idea (one of several) in that
book that is closest to this idea is the "Earth of Hurqalya."
In the "Author's Note" Mike writes:
"Kirov, around whom this story revolves, was an initiate of a mystic
school in Central Asia and an agent of the KGB. He introduced Fall to his
school's secret doctrine that our planet is part of a 'larger Earth," the
'Earth of Hurqalya,' in which the human body becomes a lunminous form of the
soul."
The idea of a "sun behind the sun" is perhaps implicit in the Gurdjieffian
idea of the "Sun-Absolute" that John G. Bennett attributes to Gurdjieff in
his biography: *Gurdjieff: Making a New World* (1973).
Also this idea is reminiscent of the Pythagorean model of the solar system
in which there is both a "central fire" around which the sun, the earth, and
a counter earth (called "Antichthon") revolve. For details see, "The
Development of the Pythagorean Doctrine" by Theodor Gomperz in *Theories of
the Universe: from Babylonian Myth to Modern Science (edited by Milton K.
Munitz (1957).
BTW: in a previous email you speculated that the name Atabet in Mike
Murphy's novel *Jacob Atabet* (1977) was based on the Hebrew letters Aleph
and Beth. (Of course, our word "alphabet", based on Greek letters goes back
to the Phoenecian/Hebrew alphabet.) Actually, Mike told me that Atabet was
the name of his maternal grandfather who was Basque.
All for now ;-)
Saul-Paul
Aha! Thanks.
On Oct 10, 2004, at 12:32 PM, s-p & m-m Sirag wrote:
Jack,
On the "Sun behind the Sun":
This idea is not in Mike Murphy's novel, *An End to Ordinary History* (1982,
a follow-up to *Jacob Atabet*). The exotic idea (one of several) in that
book that is closest to this idea is the "Earth of Hurqalya."
In the "Author's Note" Mike writes:
"Kirov, around whom this story revolves, was an initiate of a mystic
school in Central Asia and an agent of the KGB. He introduced Fall to his
school's secret doctrine that our planet is part of a 'larger Earth," the
'Earth of Hurqalya,' in which the human body becomes a lunminous form of the
soul."
The idea of a "sun behind the sun" is perhaps implicit in the Gurdjieffian
idea of the "Sun-Absolute" that John G. Bennett attributes to Gurdjieff in
his biography: *Gurdjieff: Making a New World* (1973).
Also this idea is reminiscent of the Pythagorean model of the solar system
in which there is both a "central fire" around which the sun, the earth, and
a counter earth (called "Antichthon") revolve. For details see, "The
Development of the Pythagorean Doctrine" by Theodor Gomperz in *Theories of
the Universe: from Babylonian Myth to Modern Science (edited by Milton K.
Munitz (1957).
BTW: in a previous email you speculated that the name Atabet in Mike
Murphy's novel *Jacob Atabet* (1977) was based on the Hebrew letters Aleph
and Beth. (Of course, our word "alphabet", based on Greek letters goes back
to the Phoenecian/Hebrew alphabet.) Actually, Mike told me that Atabet was
the name of his maternal grandfather who was Basque.
All for now ;-)
Saul-Paul
On Oct 10, 2004, at 12:32 PM, s-p & m-m Sirag wrote:
Jack,
On the "Sun behind the Sun":
This idea is not in Mike Murphy's novel, *An End to Ordinary History* (1982,
a follow-up to *Jacob Atabet*). The exotic idea (one of several) in that
book that is closest to this idea is the "Earth of Hurqalya."
In the "Author's Note" Mike writes:
"Kirov, around whom this story revolves, was an initiate of a mystic
school in Central Asia and an agent of the KGB. He introduced Fall to his
school's secret doctrine that our planet is part of a 'larger Earth," the
'Earth of Hurqalya,' in which the human body becomes a lunminous form of the
soul."
The idea of a "sun behind the sun" is perhaps implicit in the Gurdjieffian
idea of the "Sun-Absolute" that John G. Bennett attributes to Gurdjieff in
his biography: *Gurdjieff: Making a New World* (1973).
Also this idea is reminiscent of the Pythagorean model of the solar system
in which there is both a "central fire" around which the sun, the earth, and
a counter earth (called "Antichthon") revolve. For details see, "The
Development of the Pythagorean Doctrine" by Theodor Gomperz in *Theories of
the Universe: from Babylonian Myth to Modern Science (edited by Milton K.
Munitz (1957).
BTW: in a previous email you speculated that the name Atabet in Mike
Murphy's novel *Jacob Atabet* (1977) was based on the Hebrew letters Aleph
and Beth. (Of course, our word "alphabet", based on Greek letters goes back
to the Phoenecian/Hebrew alphabet.) Actually, Mike told me that Atabet was
the name of his maternal grandfather who was Basque.
All for now ;-)
Saul-Paul
Thanks. :-) Some of the stuff below fits the exotic vacuum idea as intensity variations in the Higgs Ocean with Einstein's gravity as the phase variations in the same giant quantum Higgs Ocean that is the coherent virtual stuff of the world, the thoughtlike BIT out of which rocklike IT emerges.
There are three basic local c-number field equations to first approximation
Guv + /\zpfguv = 0
Covariant Landau-Ginzburg equation for the macro-quantum coherent virtual BIT Higgs Ocean in the co-evolving IT guv field where
/\zpf = a^-2[a^3|Higgs Ocean|^2 - 1]
a = h/Mc = short micro-quantum wave cutoff
M is mass cutoff
Xu = a^2(Goldstone Phase of Higgs Ocean),u (Bohm pilot wave hidden variable constraint) = World Distortion Vector Field
guv = Minkowski + (1/2)(Xu,v + Xv,u) = Einstein's metric field as the elastic strain tensor of the world distortion.
Torsion field is from anholonomy Xu,v - Xv,u =/= 0
Einstein's Diff(4) curved space-time tensor transformations derive from partial derivatives of U(1) phase transformations on the Higgs Ocean local scalar complex field.
In general locally gauge the complete 15 parameter massless conformal group to get all relevant space-time compensating gauge force fields rippling through the post-inflationary calm macro-quantum coherent non-random Higgs Ocean that emerges from the incoherent random unstable pre-inflationary choppy micro-quantum Dirac Sea.
BCS condensation of virtual fermion-antifermion pairs in the pre-inflationary massless Dirac Sea to form the post-inflationary Higgs Ocean.
Entropy of post-inflationary Higgs Ocean << Entropy of pre-inflationary Dirac Sea
explains the Arrow of Time Problem posed by Roger Penrose in
"Fashion, Faith and Fantasy"
Matter/Anti-Matter C-violation from dual branes with "anti-ferromagnetic" ground state. Micro-geon wormhole mouths attached to a pair of branes. All electric flux lines enter electron mouths on same brane and leave proton mouths on that same brane. Situation reversed on the dual brane to have closed electric flux lines of Wheeler's "Charge without charge" that is quantized from single valuedness of the Higgs Ocean order parameter.
On Oct 10, 2004, at 11:42 AM, Amara D. Angelica wrote:
It's an old mystical idea apparently passed along by Crowley and Blavatsky:
"The Order of the Silver Star is thus the Order of the Eye of Set, 'the Sun
behind the Sun.' ...The Silver Star is Sirius."
- Kenneth Grant, Aleister Crowley and the Hidden God
http://www.mystae.com/restricted/streams/scripts/sirius.html
Behold Migmar,1 as in his crimson veils his "Eye" sweeps over slumbering
Earth. Behold the fiery aura of the "Hand" of Lhagpa2 extended in protecting
love over the heads of his ascetics. Both are now servants to Nyima,3 left
in his absence silent watchers in the night. Yet both in Kalpas past were
bright Nyimas, and may in future "Days" again become two Suns. Such are the
falls and rises of the Karmic Law in nature.
http://www.blavatsky.net/blavatsky/voice_of_the_silence/fragment_2.htm
Central sun. A vortex of energy, physical or spiritual, central to systems
of worlds that it thrusts from, or gathers unto, itself by the central sun
magnet. Whether in the microcosm or the Macrocosm, the central sun is the
principal energy source, vortex, or nexus of energy interchange in atoms,
cells, man (the heart center), amidst plant life and the core of the earth.
The Great Central Sun, also called the Great Hub, is the center of cosmos;
the point of integration of the Spirit- Matter cosmos; the point of origin
of all physical- spiritual creation; the nucleus, or white fire core, of the
Cosmic Egg. (The God Star, Sirius, is the focus of the Great Central Sun in
our sector of the galaxy.) The Sun behind the sun is the spiritual Cause
behind the physical effect we see as our own physical sun and all other
stars and star systems, seen or unseen, including the Great Central Sun. The
Sun behind the sun of cosmos is perceived as the Cosmic Christ--the Word by
whom the formless was endowed with form and spiritual worlds were draped
with physicality. Likewise, the Sun behind the sun is the Son of God
individualized in the Christ Self, shining in all his splendor behind the
soul and its interpenetrating sheaths of consciousness called the four lower
bodies. It is the Son of man--the 'Sun' of every manifestation of God. The
Sun behind the sun is referred to as the "Sun of righteousness," which does
heal the mind, illumine the soul and light all her house, and as "the glory
of God," the Light of the City Foursquare. (Mal. 4:2; Rev. 21:23.)
http://www.angelfire.com/mt/mandalaoflight/g.htm
On Oct 10, 2004, at 11:04 AM, Jack Sarfatti wrote to Carlos Castro:
It will take a long time for me to understand your paper(s).
I have a very simple back-of-the-envelope model that can be tested based only on zero point energy/gravity ideas essentially found in Ch. 1 of John Peacock's text book + adding the vacuum condensate "Higgs Ocean" in a way well known in soft condensed matter physics.
I will get to your ideas after I send in Super Cosmos in next few weeks.
Are you claiming you can derive the observed number
10^-8g(Earth) for the anomalous drag on Pioneer?
:-)
Hey Saul-Paul before I forget. Remember in Michael Murphy's "An End To Ordinary History" an allusion to a "Greater Sun behind the Sun"? That sounds like an invisible exotic vacuum (zero point energy density) spherical halo centered at the Sun analogous to the Galactic halo centered at perhaps a black hole at center of our galaxy?
Do you recall the details on the origin of that invisible "Greater Sun" story?
On Oct 9, 2004, at 8:51 PM, Carlos Castro wrote:
Dear Jack :
Thank you for your last 3 mails. Here I am attaching a
pdf file where you can read in one section the
approach to the anomalous Pioneer acceleration which
is also related to accelerated motion w.r.t the
vacuum.
See also at the papers by Nottale on this subject.
Best wishes
Carlos
There are three basic local c-number field equations to first approximation
Guv + /\zpfguv = 0
Covariant Landau-Ginzburg equation for the macro-quantum coherent virtual BIT Higgs Ocean in the co-evolving IT guv field where
/\zpf = a^-2[a^3|Higgs Ocean|^2 - 1]
a = h/Mc = short micro-quantum wave cutoff
M is mass cutoff
Xu = a^2(Goldstone Phase of Higgs Ocean),u (Bohm pilot wave hidden variable constraint) = World Distortion Vector Field
guv = Minkowski + (1/2)(Xu,v + Xv,u) = Einstein's metric field as the elastic strain tensor of the world distortion.
Torsion field is from anholonomy Xu,v - Xv,u =/= 0
Einstein's Diff(4) curved space-time tensor transformations derive from partial derivatives of U(1) phase transformations on the Higgs Ocean local scalar complex field.
In general locally gauge the complete 15 parameter massless conformal group to get all relevant space-time compensating gauge force fields rippling through the post-inflationary calm macro-quantum coherent non-random Higgs Ocean that emerges from the incoherent random unstable pre-inflationary choppy micro-quantum Dirac Sea.
BCS condensation of virtual fermion-antifermion pairs in the pre-inflationary massless Dirac Sea to form the post-inflationary Higgs Ocean.
Entropy of post-inflationary Higgs Ocean << Entropy of pre-inflationary Dirac Sea
explains the Arrow of Time Problem posed by Roger Penrose in
"Fashion, Faith and Fantasy"
Matter/Anti-Matter C-violation from dual branes with "anti-ferromagnetic" ground state. Micro-geon wormhole mouths attached to a pair of branes. All electric flux lines enter electron mouths on same brane and leave proton mouths on that same brane. Situation reversed on the dual brane to have closed electric flux lines of Wheeler's "Charge without charge" that is quantized from single valuedness of the Higgs Ocean order parameter.
On Oct 10, 2004, at 11:42 AM, Amara D. Angelica wrote:
It's an old mystical idea apparently passed along by Crowley and Blavatsky:
"The Order of the Silver Star is thus the Order of the Eye of Set, 'the Sun
behind the Sun.' ...The Silver Star is Sirius."
- Kenneth Grant, Aleister Crowley and the Hidden God
http://www.mystae.com/restricted/streams/scripts/sirius.html
Behold Migmar,1 as in his crimson veils his "Eye" sweeps over slumbering
Earth. Behold the fiery aura of the "Hand" of Lhagpa2 extended in protecting
love over the heads of his ascetics. Both are now servants to Nyima,3 left
in his absence silent watchers in the night. Yet both in Kalpas past were
bright Nyimas, and may in future "Days" again become two Suns. Such are the
falls and rises of the Karmic Law in nature.
http://www.blavatsky.net/blavatsky/voice_of_the_silence/fragment_2.htm
Central sun. A vortex of energy, physical or spiritual, central to systems
of worlds that it thrusts from, or gathers unto, itself by the central sun
magnet. Whether in the microcosm or the Macrocosm, the central sun is the
principal energy source, vortex, or nexus of energy interchange in atoms,
cells, man (the heart center), amidst plant life and the core of the earth.
The Great Central Sun, also called the Great Hub, is the center of cosmos;
the point of integration of the Spirit- Matter cosmos; the point of origin
of all physical- spiritual creation; the nucleus, or white fire core, of the
Cosmic Egg. (The God Star, Sirius, is the focus of the Great Central Sun in
our sector of the galaxy.) The Sun behind the sun is the spiritual Cause
behind the physical effect we see as our own physical sun and all other
stars and star systems, seen or unseen, including the Great Central Sun. The
Sun behind the sun of cosmos is perceived as the Cosmic Christ--the Word by
whom the formless was endowed with form and spiritual worlds were draped
with physicality. Likewise, the Sun behind the sun is the Son of God
individualized in the Christ Self, shining in all his splendor behind the
soul and its interpenetrating sheaths of consciousness called the four lower
bodies. It is the Son of man--the 'Sun' of every manifestation of God. The
Sun behind the sun is referred to as the "Sun of righteousness," which does
heal the mind, illumine the soul and light all her house, and as "the glory
of God," the Light of the City Foursquare. (Mal. 4:2; Rev. 21:23.)
http://www.angelfire.com/mt/mandalaoflight/g.htm
On Oct 10, 2004, at 11:04 AM, Jack Sarfatti wrote to Carlos Castro:
It will take a long time for me to understand your paper(s).
I have a very simple back-of-the-envelope model that can be tested based only on zero point energy/gravity ideas essentially found in Ch. 1 of John Peacock's text book + adding the vacuum condensate "Higgs Ocean" in a way well known in soft condensed matter physics.
I will get to your ideas after I send in Super Cosmos in next few weeks.
Are you claiming you can derive the observed number
10^-8g(Earth) for the anomalous drag on Pioneer?
:-)
Hey Saul-Paul before I forget. Remember in Michael Murphy's "An End To Ordinary History" an allusion to a "Greater Sun behind the Sun"? That sounds like an invisible exotic vacuum (zero point energy density) spherical halo centered at the Sun analogous to the Galactic halo centered at perhaps a black hole at center of our galaxy?
Do you recall the details on the origin of that invisible "Greater Sun" story?
On Oct 9, 2004, at 8:51 PM, Carlos Castro wrote:
Dear Jack :
Thank you for your last 3 mails. Here I am attaching a
pdf file where you can read in one section the
approach to the anomalous Pioneer acceleration which
is also related to accelerated motion w.r.t the
vacuum.
See also at the papers by Nottale on this subject.
Best wishes
Carlos
Sunday, October 03, 2004
On Oct 3, 2004, at 2:35 PM, W...S... wrote:
Dear Jack,
I am a friend of Saul Paul Sirag and Jeffrey Mishlove. I have a book out on objective evidence of reincarnation and Jeffrey Mishlove, H. D Brown and Nobel Laureate Kary Mullis all agreed to be reincarnation cases in my book. Recent research, from multiple independent sources, demonstrates that people have the same facial structure, personality traits, passions and writing style from lifetime to lifetime. Even fashion preferences can persist.
Interesting. Are you in that movie with Fred?
A number of the reincarnation cases in my book were solved by Ahtun Re, a spirit guide channeled by Kevin Ryerson, the trance medium made famous by Shirley MacLaine. For example, Ahtun Re identified Neale Donald Walsch, the author of the "Conversations with God" series as a little know minister in Boston named Reverend William Walter. We were able to historically locate Rev. Walter and he matched Mr. Walsch in appearance and personality. Mr. Walsch also agreed to be a case in my book.
A couple of years ago, Saul Paul Sirag told me about you (Gary Zukav is a case in my book too).
Uh Oh? You know how Gary welched on my share of the royalties to the "Dancing Wu Li Masters"? Fred knows and so does Saul-Paul.
In a session with Kevin Ryerson, Ahtun Re told me that in a past lifetime, you were Paracelsus.
OK, so long as I wasn't Gary Zukav! :-) Remind me again some details on Paracelsus. He was a Sorceror/Wizard sort of like John Dee? Definitely a TechGnostic in the sense of Erik Davis's book, right? If The Past Life fits, I'll take it! Have you investigated Future Lives? Brendan O Regan was into that with Ingo Swann during the SRI Remote Viewing experiments in the mid-late 1970's.
I didn't pursue the connection until this week, as I had dinner yesterday with your friends Fred Alan Wolf and Henry Dakin. I did the image matching and was quite startled at the remarkable resemblance. I have attached the image.

You may review cases on my web site, http://www.johnadams.net. The cases of Ralph Nader, Carl Sagan and Oprah were also solved through Ahtun Re.
The group yesterday thought you would resonate with Paracelsus. I will put you on an e-mail list of other reincarnated scientists and will send an e-mail that identifies others in the groups.
This is Jacques Vallee's "Invisible College" reborn. Which one of us is W Our Boy King, The Dauphin is talking to as his "Higher Father"? Remember W = -1. :-) See Maureen Dowd's "Bushworld" and Bob Woodward's "Plan of Attack". I must say politics is getting more and more Elizabethan with every passing day.
I live in North Beach and would like to meet you sometime.
We are neighbors. I have been going lately to Caffe Roma in early mornings as it is closer to my office off Washington Square and I am very busy writing. I can meet you there. :-)
Best Wishes,
W ... , MD
Dear Jack,
I am a friend of Saul Paul Sirag and Jeffrey Mishlove. I have a book out on objective evidence of reincarnation and Jeffrey Mishlove, H. D Brown and Nobel Laureate Kary Mullis all agreed to be reincarnation cases in my book. Recent research, from multiple independent sources, demonstrates that people have the same facial structure, personality traits, passions and writing style from lifetime to lifetime. Even fashion preferences can persist.
Interesting. Are you in that movie with Fred?
A number of the reincarnation cases in my book were solved by Ahtun Re, a spirit guide channeled by Kevin Ryerson, the trance medium made famous by Shirley MacLaine. For example, Ahtun Re identified Neale Donald Walsch, the author of the "Conversations with God" series as a little know minister in Boston named Reverend William Walter. We were able to historically locate Rev. Walter and he matched Mr. Walsch in appearance and personality. Mr. Walsch also agreed to be a case in my book.
A couple of years ago, Saul Paul Sirag told me about you (Gary Zukav is a case in my book too).
Uh Oh? You know how Gary welched on my share of the royalties to the "Dancing Wu Li Masters"? Fred knows and so does Saul-Paul.
In a session with Kevin Ryerson, Ahtun Re told me that in a past lifetime, you were Paracelsus.
OK, so long as I wasn't Gary Zukav! :-) Remind me again some details on Paracelsus. He was a Sorceror/Wizard sort of like John Dee? Definitely a TechGnostic in the sense of Erik Davis's book, right? If The Past Life fits, I'll take it! Have you investigated Future Lives? Brendan O Regan was into that with Ingo Swann during the SRI Remote Viewing experiments in the mid-late 1970's.
I didn't pursue the connection until this week, as I had dinner yesterday with your friends Fred Alan Wolf and Henry Dakin. I did the image matching and was quite startled at the remarkable resemblance. I have attached the image.

You may review cases on my web site, http://www.johnadams.net. The cases of Ralph Nader, Carl Sagan and Oprah were also solved through Ahtun Re.
The group yesterday thought you would resonate with Paracelsus. I will put you on an e-mail list of other reincarnated scientists and will send an e-mail that identifies others in the groups.
This is Jacques Vallee's "Invisible College" reborn. Which one of us is W Our Boy King, The Dauphin is talking to as his "Higher Father"? Remember W = -1. :-) See Maureen Dowd's "Bushworld" and Bob Woodward's "Plan of Attack". I must say politics is getting more and more Elizabethan with every passing day.
I live in North Beach and would like to meet you sometime.
We are neighbors. I have been going lately to Caffe Roma in early mornings as it is closer to my office off Washington Square and I am very busy writing. I can meet you there. :-)
Best Wishes,
W ... , MD
bcc
On Oct 3, 2004, at 6:01 AM, JagdishM@aol.com wrote:
If you cannot formulate a problem mathematically, nobody knows what it is.
--Dr. Possingham--
On Oct 3, 2004, at 11:46 AM, Dan wrote:
Not necessarily.
OK
---- Original Message -----
From: "Jack Sarfatti"
To: "Dan Smith"
Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2004 12:43 PM
Subject: Re: In Defense of Neocon Pre-Emption: An Immodest Proposal
Is this private?
On Oct 2, 2004, at 8:38 PM, Dan Smith wrote:
I imagine there is plenty of political jockeying relative to the new
technology. This will become more intense if one of our folks gets
promoted to a visible position.
It may be that the Bushies have a lock on this process. The Kennedys
did try to usurp that role, but they were rebuffed, evidently.
What do you mean? Are you tying the assassinations of JFK and RFK to the UFO issue? There is all that UFO folklore that James Jesus Angleton of CIA was very concerned about the saucers. But we have no reliable information that is true since the sources are very flaky.
9/11 and Iraq were likely to have been required precursors to what we
know is about to happen: focused distractions, with full engagement.
Do you mean like when Winston Churchill knew ahead of time that the Luftwaffe was to bomb Coventry with many casualties but could not warn them because then Hitler would know that Turing broke the Enigma Code? Likewise, using the Dark Energy Star Gate Time Machine up at The Bigelow Ranch maybe are you saying The Dauphin's Regent Darth Vader Cheney knew the precise date and target for 911 ahead of time? Of course, they would not have told The Boy King. I don't think this is true, but it makes for a good Sci Fi Story. Now that Putin has essentially restored the Soviet Union, he was KGB Chief after all, it looks like we also are moving from Republic to Empire with a deal with Putin? I would be surprised if Kerry wins. Maybe the deal with Bush Fellas and The Clintons is for Hillary in 2008? Bill in "My Life" writes of an offer like that in 1992 from Don WASP Corleone (to use Maureen Dowd's term in "Bushworld" with W as "Sonny".
"The Bush family has been the 'WASP Corleones' by Howard Fineman of Newsweek." p. 58
There are some safeguards so that the jockeying does not get too
rough. The visitors provide oversight and also ration any access to the Source.
Guv + /\zpgguv = 0
/\zpf = (Mc/h)^2V(overlap)|Higgs Ocean||Control Knob|Cosine[Phase of Higgs Ocean - Phase of Control Knob]
"Control Knob" could be a Macro-Quantum Mind Field like your hypothetical UT. This is essentially how it all works I think. Phase of Control Knob modulated in meditative altered state of the Shaman or UT.
Obviously W is kept on a short leash. He has the necessary compliance.
There is concern that another president might get headstrong.
There is now just the question of the long expected convergence
between us on the outside and those on the inside. This is still a sensitive
problem. There is still a lot of tiptoeing around. People are feeling some
heat, but not much of it is coming from us.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jack Sarfatti [mailto:sarfatti@pacbell.net]
Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2004 9:39 PM
To: Jack Sarfatti
Subject: In Defense of Neocon Pre-Emption: An Immodest Proposal
Of course, Dan, if Rummy and Wolfy & Co really have a Star Gate Time
Machine hidden away in Dreamland Area 51, or maybe even up on the
Bigelow Ranch in Utah like in SG-1 then they could justify Iraq from
seeing what would have happened in a similar alternative universe next
door in hyperspace. So, perhaps, this is what D-Day will be? ;-)
But what about North Korea and Iran? Remember Cheney is very pro on
missile defence and Rummy is keen on high tech "Transformation".
Imagine what real metric engineering will do! It looks like Bushy will
be re-elected. Jeb will see to that. Well the Good Fellas like Sam
Giacana did it for JFK in Chicago in 1960 right? So we really can't
blame the Bush Fellas. :-)
On Oct 2, 2004, at 4:29 PM, Jack Sarfatti wrote:
On Oct 2, 2004, at 3:30 PM, Dan Smith wrote:
Jack,
A technical point concerns the materialization of the UTs. You suggest that the usual scenario is that of possession, i.e. the UT takes control of a human host.
I submit that this is normally true of the lower spirits. This is what Eduardo reports in relation to the interference of the lower spirits in the traversing of portals. Those spirits are anxious to obtain the
technology of the 'molecular' processes involved therein.
On the other hand, the higher spirits, or 'angels', are quite adept at this technology and can create their own physical bodies as the occasion may demand. Angels avoid the other route, where possible.
The suggestion here is that the EBE visitors are of the higher variety of spirits. Admittedly, though, they are reported to have neither halos nor wings.
Dan
Kristol Nacht
What's your point? Of course there are many levels of intelligence in
the multi-verse more than species here on Earth I guess. My Father's
House has many mansions. BTW Which "Father" do you think your sister's
friend's husband, our Oedipal Boy King Dauphin, has been talking to? I
mean in addition to Darth Vader Cheney of course. You realize that the
Wolfy-Feith-Perle-Wurmer-Libby-Kristol Cult of Neocons is a Rogue
Secret Society of TechGnostics. Who do you think Leo Strauss really
was? Have you read Maureen Dowd's "Bushworld"?
Of The Old King George 41, Our Henry V George 43 said to Bob Woodward:
"He is the wrong father to appeal to in terms of strength; there is a
Higher Father that I appealed to." p.13
"Darth Vader Dark Father ... Cheney ... yanked the formerly sunny
sonny into a neo-Hobbsian world where as neocon Robert Kagan put it,
'Americans are from Mars and Europeans are from Venus,' a gloomy
universe ... All presidents are in a bubble, but the boy king was so
insulated he was in a thermos ... His regents put their own spin and
filter on the information they fed him, creating an alternative
universe where they were never wrong." p. 14
Remember Hitler in The Bunker?
http://qedcorp.com/book/psi/hitweapon.html The politics of presponse
signal nonlocality. What hath SRI RV wrought? The Kristol Nacht Team
wrote in 1997 "Project for the New American Century":
"... it is important to shape circumstances before crises emerge, and
to meet threats before they become dire."
Maureen then writes: "It was a kick-the-door-in policy straight out of
Phillip K. Dick's science fiction 'Minority Report: Identify the
future bad guys and arrest them before they commit the crime." p. 17
http://math.boisestate.edu/gas/mikado/webopera/song17.html
My Object All Sublime.
I shall achieve beyond time.
To make the punishment before the crime.
The punishment before the crime!
I think Fred Alan Wolf knows your Shaman Eduardo?
On Oct 3, 2004, at 6:01 AM, JagdishM@aol.com wrote:
If you cannot formulate a problem mathematically, nobody knows what it is.
--Dr. Possingham--
On Oct 3, 2004, at 11:46 AM, Dan wrote:
Not necessarily.
OK
---- Original Message -----
From: "Jack Sarfatti"
To: "Dan Smith"
Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2004 12:43 PM
Subject: Re: In Defense of Neocon Pre-Emption: An Immodest Proposal
Is this private?
On Oct 2, 2004, at 8:38 PM, Dan Smith wrote:
I imagine there is plenty of political jockeying relative to the new
technology. This will become more intense if one of our folks gets
promoted to a visible position.
It may be that the Bushies have a lock on this process. The Kennedys
did try to usurp that role, but they were rebuffed, evidently.
What do you mean? Are you tying the assassinations of JFK and RFK to the UFO issue? There is all that UFO folklore that James Jesus Angleton of CIA was very concerned about the saucers. But we have no reliable information that is true since the sources are very flaky.
9/11 and Iraq were likely to have been required precursors to what we
know is about to happen: focused distractions, with full engagement.
Do you mean like when Winston Churchill knew ahead of time that the Luftwaffe was to bomb Coventry with many casualties but could not warn them because then Hitler would know that Turing broke the Enigma Code? Likewise, using the Dark Energy Star Gate Time Machine up at The Bigelow Ranch maybe are you saying The Dauphin's Regent Darth Vader Cheney knew the precise date and target for 911 ahead of time? Of course, they would not have told The Boy King. I don't think this is true, but it makes for a good Sci Fi Story. Now that Putin has essentially restored the Soviet Union, he was KGB Chief after all, it looks like we also are moving from Republic to Empire with a deal with Putin? I would be surprised if Kerry wins. Maybe the deal with Bush Fellas and The Clintons is for Hillary in 2008? Bill in "My Life" writes of an offer like that in 1992 from Don WASP Corleone (to use Maureen Dowd's term in "Bushworld" with W as "Sonny".
"The Bush family has been the 'WASP Corleones' by Howard Fineman of Newsweek." p. 58
There are some safeguards so that the jockeying does not get too
rough. The visitors provide oversight and also ration any access to the Source.
Guv + /\zpgguv = 0
/\zpf = (Mc/h)^2V(overlap)|Higgs Ocean||Control Knob|Cosine[Phase of Higgs Ocean - Phase of Control Knob]
"Control Knob" could be a Macro-Quantum Mind Field like your hypothetical UT. This is essentially how it all works I think. Phase of Control Knob modulated in meditative altered state of the Shaman or UT.
Obviously W is kept on a short leash. He has the necessary compliance.
There is concern that another president might get headstrong.
There is now just the question of the long expected convergence
between us on the outside and those on the inside. This is still a sensitive
problem. There is still a lot of tiptoeing around. People are feeling some
heat, but not much of it is coming from us.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jack Sarfatti [mailto:sarfatti@pacbell.net]
Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2004 9:39 PM
To: Jack Sarfatti
Subject: In Defense of Neocon Pre-Emption: An Immodest Proposal
Of course, Dan, if Rummy and Wolfy & Co really have a Star Gate Time
Machine hidden away in Dreamland Area 51, or maybe even up on the
Bigelow Ranch in Utah like in SG-1 then they could justify Iraq from
seeing what would have happened in a similar alternative universe next
door in hyperspace. So, perhaps, this is what D-Day will be? ;-)
But what about North Korea and Iran? Remember Cheney is very pro on
missile defence and Rummy is keen on high tech "Transformation".
Imagine what real metric engineering will do! It looks like Bushy will
be re-elected. Jeb will see to that. Well the Good Fellas like Sam
Giacana did it for JFK in Chicago in 1960 right? So we really can't
blame the Bush Fellas. :-)
On Oct 2, 2004, at 4:29 PM, Jack Sarfatti wrote:
On Oct 2, 2004, at 3:30 PM, Dan Smith wrote:
Jack,
A technical point concerns the materialization of the UTs. You suggest that the usual scenario is that of possession, i.e. the UT takes control of a human host.
I submit that this is normally true of the lower spirits. This is what Eduardo reports in relation to the interference of the lower spirits in the traversing of portals. Those spirits are anxious to obtain the
technology of the 'molecular' processes involved therein.
On the other hand, the higher spirits, or 'angels', are quite adept at this technology and can create their own physical bodies as the occasion may demand. Angels avoid the other route, where possible.
The suggestion here is that the EBE visitors are of the higher variety of spirits. Admittedly, though, they are reported to have neither halos nor wings.
Dan
Kristol Nacht
What's your point? Of course there are many levels of intelligence in
the multi-verse more than species here on Earth I guess. My Father's
House has many mansions. BTW Which "Father" do you think your sister's
friend's husband, our Oedipal Boy King Dauphin, has been talking to? I
mean in addition to Darth Vader Cheney of course. You realize that the
Wolfy-Feith-Perle-Wurmer-Libby-Kristol Cult of Neocons is a Rogue
Secret Society of TechGnostics. Who do you think Leo Strauss really
was? Have you read Maureen Dowd's "Bushworld"?
Of The Old King George 41, Our Henry V George 43 said to Bob Woodward:
"He is the wrong father to appeal to in terms of strength; there is a
Higher Father that I appealed to." p.13
"Darth Vader Dark Father ... Cheney ... yanked the formerly sunny
sonny into a neo-Hobbsian world where as neocon Robert Kagan put it,
'Americans are from Mars and Europeans are from Venus,' a gloomy
universe ... All presidents are in a bubble, but the boy king was so
insulated he was in a thermos ... His regents put their own spin and
filter on the information they fed him, creating an alternative
universe where they were never wrong." p. 14
Remember Hitler in The Bunker?
http://qedcorp.com/book/psi/hitweapon.html The politics of presponse
signal nonlocality. What hath SRI RV wrought? The Kristol Nacht Team
wrote in 1997 "Project for the New American Century":
"... it is important to shape circumstances before crises emerge, and
to meet threats before they become dire."
Maureen then writes: "It was a kick-the-door-in policy straight out of
Phillip K. Dick's science fiction 'Minority Report: Identify the
future bad guys and arrest them before they commit the crime." p. 17
http://math.boisestate.edu/gas/mikado/webopera/song17.html
My Object All Sublime.
I shall achieve beyond time.
To make the punishment before the crime.
The punishment before the crime!
I think Fred Alan Wolf knows your Shaman Eduardo?
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